bubba Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 --LEGAL BULLETIN SERVICE------------------#1 RE: BLACK POWDER - MUZZLE-LOADING WEAPONS BAN PENAL LAW 265.01 (4), WHICH PROHIBITS A PERSON CONVICTED OF A FELONY OR SERIOUS OFFENSE FROM POSSESSING A RIFLE OR SHOTGUN HAS BEEN AMENDED TO INCLUDE WITHIN THE PROHIBITION AN ANTIQUE FIREARM, BLACK POWDER RIFLE, BLACK POWDER SHOTGUN, OR ANY MUZZLE-LOADING FIREARM. EFFECTIVE JANUARY 30TH, POSSESSION OF THESE WEAPONS BY A PERSON WHO IS CURRENTLY PROHIBITED, UNDER SUBDIVISION 4, FROM POSSESSING A RIFLE OR SHOTGUN, MAY BE ARRESTED FOR THE MISDEMEANOR CHARGE OF CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A WEAPON IN THE FOURTH DEGREE. THIS AMENDMENT WAS PASSED IN RESPONSE TO THE SHOOTINGS OF TROOP B TROOPERS AMANDA REIF IN 2007 AND GEORGE STANNARD IN 2008. BOTH TROOPERS WERE SHOT WITH MUZZLE-LOADING WEAPONS BY ASSAILANTS WHO WERE OTHERWISE PROHIBITED FROM POSSESSING RIFLES OR SHOTGUNS AT THE TIME OF THE ASSAULTS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyantler Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I have a good story for ya... I have a friend who at 17 took his 4-wheel drive pickup with a few friends to an out of the way place in NY to do some 4wheellin.... they decided to try and cross what they thought was a shallow pond... needless to say the truck would rather float than stay on the bottom and was swept out to deeper water where it eventually sank... little did they know... the pond was a federally protected wetland and they were arrested, charged and convicted of felony trespass for driving the truck in the pond... now my friend cannot legally own a gun.. although I would agree this was a tough lesson to learn... I have a hard time with losing your gun rights for that kind of thing.. especially at 17... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felonious_Monk Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Where in the Constitution is this law authorized? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELMER J. FUDD Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) --LEGAL BULLETIN SERVICE------------------#1 RE: BLACK POWDER - MUZZLE-LOADING WEAPONS BAN PENAL LAW 265.01 (4), WHICH PROHIBITS A PERSON CONVICTED OF A FELONY OR SERIOUS OFFENSE FROM POSSESSING A RIFLE OR SHOTGUN HAS BEEN AMENDED TO INCLUDE WITHIN THE PROHIBITION AN ANTIQUE FIREARM, BLACK POWDER RIFLE, BLACK POWDER SHOTGUN, OR ANY MUZZLE-LOADING FIREARM. EFFECTIVE JANUARY 30TH, POSSESSION OF THESE WEAPONS BY A PERSON WHO IS CURRENTLY PROHIBITED, UNDER SUBDIVISION 4, FROM POSSESSING A RIFLE OR SHOTGUN, MAY BE ARRESTED FOR THE MISDEMEANOR CHARGE OF CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A WEAPON IN THE FOURTH DEGREE. THIS AMENDMENT WAS PASSED IN RESPONSE TO THE SHOOTINGS OF TROOP B TROOPERS AMANDA REIF IN 2007 AND GEORGE STANNARD IN 2008. BOTH TROOPERS WERE SHOT WITH MUZZLE-LOADING WEAPONS BY ASSAILANTS WHO WERE OTHERWISE PROHIBITED FROM POSSESSING RIFLES OR SHOTGUNS AT THE TIME OF THE ASSAULTS Then ban the judge that let the perps back on the street in the first place. Edited August 27, 2012 by ELMER J. FUDD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba Posted August 27, 2012 Author Share Posted August 27, 2012 that perp was killed by the trooper he shot. So he was well taken care of 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNYBuckHunter Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Where in the Constitution is this law authorized? Once youre a convicted felon, you lose some of your rights. Theres an easy way to avoid it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erussell Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Im not sure I would be able to shoot back if someone shot me with a 50 cal muzzleloader. Ive seen the hole it leaves in a deer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY Region 3 Trapper Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Shouldn't take that long to change a simple modification to an existing law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sampotter Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Good deal. NYantler- I'm a little surprised they don't have different classes of felonies- violent and non-violent. Perhaps there could be a distinction between the 2 as far as gun ownership. At the same time I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone with a felony conviction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
growalot Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 You may want to re think that Sam...for this is a huge back door and it is easier to make MORE offenses Federal than it is to reverse or amend such a law...Anti's are nothing if not sneaky SOB's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike103 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 I have a good story for ya... I have a friend who at 17 took his 4-wheel drive pickup with a few friends to an out of the way place in NY to do some 4wheellin.... they decided to try and cross what they thought was a shallow pond... needless to say the truck would rather float than stay on the bottom and was swept out to deeper water where it eventually sank... little did they know... the pond was a federally protected wetland and they were arrested, charged and convicted of felony trespass for driving the truck in the pond... now my friend cannot legally own a gun.. although I would agree this was a tough lesson to learn... I have a hard time with losing your gun rights for that kind of thing.. especially at 17... There is no such thing as felony trespass in NYS. 140.15 - "A" misdemeanor 140.10 - "B" misdemeanor 140.05 - Violation. Burglary is a felony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sampotter Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Growalot- I guess if I stay on the right side of the law I'll never have to worry about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
growalot Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Your right...but youthful indiscretions...foolishness...just plain ole stupidity can hit anyone or anyones kid...by the grace of God go I comes to mind...more than one Halloween... I found my self sitting in a cruiser right next to...the good kid ( sister ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
growalot Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) that link did not work...but here is a quote from it....not sure Obama got this past but article written March this year.... Amash is correct in noting that the omission of the word "willfully" represents an unfair burden to the citizen. In legalese, this omission creates a situation where anyone can be charged with a federal felony for 'trespassing' on grounds shared by a person or group receiving Secret Service protection (including NSSE's); EVEN IF THE 'TRESPASSER' HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF SUCH PROTECTED PERSONS BEING PRESENT. In theory, anyplace where there is a protest could also be the setting for mass felony charges against constitutionally protected behavior such as the right to protest. Edited August 27, 2012 by growalot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felonious_Monk Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Once youre a convicted felon, you lose some of your rights. Theres an easy way to avoid it. You didn't answer the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sogaard Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) The same part of the constitution that allows for laws to prohibit felons from owning any other type of gun. If you want more detail than that, ask a constitutional lawyer. I can think of one that you may have heard of. Edited August 27, 2012 by Sogaard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felonious_Monk Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 The same part of the constitution that allows for laws to prohibit felons from owning any other type of gun. So, no part, is what you're saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sogaard Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 I'm assuming you're just trolling at this point, because the constitution isn't a code of laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba Posted August 27, 2012 Author Share Posted August 27, 2012 ahh another troll. gotta love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felonious_Monk Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 I'm assuming you're just trolling at this point, because the constitution isn't a code of laws. Errr, and I'm trolling? The Constitution isn't a code of laws? Then what praytell is it? A suggested guide? No, I know...it's a rough outline. So, it's not the Supreme Law of the Land, it's just a handy reference guide for how to run a Republic. Gotcha. Oh, and that little legislative rider on the tail end, those are privileges permitted the citizenry by the government, right? They aren't UNALIENABLE RIGHTS of man, they're revocable privileges administered by bureaucrats and subject to reinterpretation by the whim of the day, is that it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba Posted August 27, 2012 Author Share Posted August 27, 2012 yup trolling for sure. Probably not a new one but an old one with a new name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felonious_Monk Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) yup trolling for sure. Probably not a new one but an old one with a new name. I found your site 2 days ago. I signed up because it seemed to be an amusing corner of the internet full of people proclaiming to be pro-gun/hunting/sportsmanship, but seem very inclined to support the same donkeydust that comes out of the mouths of retards like Carolyn McCarthy and Schumer. You are just fine with infringements on rights, just so long as they aren't YOUR rights. I'm reminded of some quotes, help me out here...one's got something to do with tempestuous seas of liberty and the other chains resting lightly upon you. Edited August 27, 2012 by Felonious_Monk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sogaard Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 So, being pro-gun/hunting/sportsmanship, according to you, should mean, pro-givingconvictedfelonseasyaccesstofirearms? Yeah, I'm going to pass on that batch of Kool-aid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNYBuckHunter Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Felons became felons by infringing on others rights. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNYBuckHunter Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Look monk, if youre here just to bs about politics, I suggest you take it to a politico site. If you care to talk hunting, fishing, etc, as well then do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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