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Nope, the rank and file, average anti-hunter that I have run into still relies on emotion for their opinion. The little old neighbor lady and the average city dweller have never really taken the time to become sophisticated or learn any real facts about what they are talking. They still come out with that, "How can you kill such a pretty innocent animal?" crap and you know it. And so I have no problem giving it back to them since that is the only thing that they understand. And by the way, none of that has to violate the truth. Mother nature is a cruel game manager. I still say that while you are boring them into a coma with facts and figures, I can have them at least understanding some of the real facts of life according to Mother Nature. They listen to that kind of crap. Treating them to a lecture of science only results in them getting that blank stare with their eyelids half-closed. And when you have finished and they finally regain consciousness the first thing they will blurt out is, "But, how can you kill such a pretty innocent animal?" As far as Belo's thread title, I think it was spot on. That picture does evoke feelings of one sort or another in most of us. I personally found the replies interesting.

We have to use all resources at our disposal. We have the court system and the electoral system. It's not an "either/or" arrangement. we have to use them both. We needn't get all wrapped up in any defeatist's attitudes, but concentrate on using the tools that we have.

Ha-ha .... these threads drift and evolve all over the place, especially after the page count reaches 3 or 4. It usually turns out ok, because after that many pages, the original topic has pretty much burned out anyway, and the thread has morphed into several other topics that are also interesting. It probably is true that it would be more productive to start new threads when the originals start wandering to the extent that this one has. But anyway, it is kind of comical just how far away these threads can travel .... lol.

There's a few TV programs that will really give you an idea of how bad some restaurants and bars can get when it comes to service and food quality .....lol. Yeah, I know these are heavily staged, but most of what goes on in these programs are things that I have seen happen, to one extent or another, in some restaurants over the years. Usually the tip-off is the parking lot. If it is full, usually the service and the food is good.

Why is it so difficult to understand that a crossbow is its own "type of weapon"? Everyone tries to cram it into this category or that category. It has elements of other categories combined, but when you come right down to it, a crossbow is a crossbow. It's not "like" any other weapon. Just like a spear is a spear or a knife is a knife or a slingshot is a slingshot.

It's time to go down to your town hall and become acquainted with your town clerk. If she/he is anywhere near as good as ours, they will know more about town ordinances than the supervisor, town lawyer or anyone else down there .... lol. If she/he can't quote the local law right off their head, they will know exactly where to access it. These people are amazing sources of info for all things local. Everything is right at their finger-tips.

And while we are at it, this "Message of Necessity" nonsense really needs to get some reins on it. Who knows given that the Governor has all these little legal goodies at his disposal, maybe the ruling was correct. They have made all this crap so complicated and with so many legal loopholes, that when it comes to constitutional Law, I doubt there is any of us who is qualified to have a credible opinion on this part of the action. Absolutely we had to challenge it in the courts, and we must pursue any other legal avenues. Just as sure as I am that almost all of us have no clue what-so-ever as to whether illegal or unconstitutional acts have been perpetrated, none of has a clue that they have not either. No, the court challenges are a must. HOWEVER, the most important process that has to be used is the election. And I don't want to hear all the "quit before we get started" whining. Just do it! Nothing comes with any guarantees except it is guaranteed that nothing will change if we all just sit in the corner sucking our thumb and whimpering about how all is lost in this country.

Even 8 or 9 weeks is way more than it should take. I mean it's not like they have to build something or ship anything. It is simple clerical work, and I really can't believe that they have a constant daily flow of these permits. They are simply dragging their feet ....... because they can. It's harassment, plain and simple, and I am sure that is exactly how it has always been intended.

Actually, there is nothing here that does not apply to anyone who owns land that is remote from his residence. Fighting trespass is the same whether you own the land or lease it. You have to go through the same processes. The fact that you don't live there makes it a lot tougher to enforce. But really, there's not a lot you can do about it in a practical sense. You can post the hell out of it to advertise your intent, but as far as enforcing trespass violations, that is an entirely different matter.

It sounds to me like the NYS pistol permitting system is intended as a harassment feature to try to discourage private ownership of handguns. Likely, it is serving the exact function it was intended for.

Is there someplace on the internet that outlines all the final changes in license structure and pricing?

Well actually, I have found that "big-bad-wolf syndrome" to be part of the most effective pro-hunting argument that can be used. When anti-hunters begin their savage barbarianism comments about hunters, the most effective way to put it all in perspective for them is to point out that hardly any of the critters die peacefully and quietly in their bed from old age. It is true that in almost all cases, the death from a hunter's bullet is a whole lot more humane that Mother Nature's alternatives. There's nothing wrong with pointing that out. Yes, it is a departure from the cold hard facts and stats of population control that we usually rely on, and yes it is playing the emotionalism card. But while others are throwing people into a coma with their facts and figures and statistics, within a few words, I have shut some of these guys up and sent them away with a new emotional viewpoint to chew on. Emotionalism is very powerful tool that has been used against us for decades. Sometimes it is good to throw some of it back at them....lol. I know that is way off topic, and not really the point you were aiming at, but your reply did seem to be a great intro to a successful style of fighting antis that I have been using for a whole lot of years and figured might be of use to others.

Getting back to the original topic, I just wanted to say that there is actually a bit of an art to taking good "hero pictures". There's a certain amount of class and tact in how harvested game is displayed. You know how it goes ..... tuck that tongue back in the mouth. Try to clean off excess blood, pose the animal such that you avoid the gory-side of the kill .... lol. There's a lot of nice little actions that we sometimes try to do just to make the picture a bit more palatable to those who have a sensitivity about gore. It also is done so that we can appreciate the animal taken without negative distractions. We try to do these things for deer. Why not for coyotes? I don't see it as some super big deal, but in this case, the picture appears to have been arranged for maximum shock value rather than as a display of a good hunt or success on a trapline.

The problem with this situation is that now she has lost a dispute to you. This may be the beginning to a vendetta where she will be looking for things to harass you with from now on. Nothing worse than neighbor problems.

http://taxfoundation.org/article/tax-freedom-day-2014-april-21-three-days-later-last-year Tax Freedom Day is the day when the nation as a whole has earned enough money to pay its total tax bill for year. A vivid, calendar-based illustration of the cost of government, Tax Freedom Day divides all federal, state, and local taxes by the nation’s income. In 2014, Americans will pay $3.0 trillion in federal taxes and $1.5 trillion in state taxes, for a total tax bill of $4.5 trillion, or 30.2 percent of income. This year, Tax Freedom Day falls on April 21, or 111 days into the year. On the web-site listed above, there is a map of the Tax Freedom Day for each individual state. Guess which state has the latest Tax freedom date. Yup, you guessed it .... NYS with a May 4th date No other state even made it into May.....lol.

I also try to maintain good neighborly relations and always phone our closest neighbors when I plan on using the backyard shooting range. It's not necessary on the range on top of the hill, but I know that first shot can be a bit startling when everything is dead quiet. So I just give them a friendly heads-up.

Geeze, wouldn't you think that somebody might want to watch the student handle the gun just to see if they have a clue about gun use and safety? Marksmanship is something that they can work on once they have a gun of their own to shoot, but just to check for such things as where they point the thing, and other things that might indicate a problem like looking down the muzzle ... lol. Some of this might sound intuitive or just plain old horse-sense that supposedly everyone was born with. BUT .... I have had hunters walk up to me with the gun cradled in their elbow while the muzzle was pointed straight at my mid-section. I saw another one yakking away leaning on the butt with the muzzle resting on top his foot. Not everyone has that thing called common sense, and it would be interesting to put a gun (even if it is empty) in the hands of a student just to observe what he does with it and see that he handles it respectfully and responsibly.

So, does this calculation apply only to Federal income taxes, or does it also include federal fees, NYS, and local property, sales and income taxes and fees. If not, that would be one hell of a shocking statistic! And then if you want to add in mandated purchases like automobile insurances and additional costs on manufactured products and services due to federal and state mandates. How the heck do we even wind up with any disposable cash at all. I thought we fought a Civil War to abolish slavery. I guess that applies to everyone but governments.....lol.

Lol ..... You probably don't realize just how foolish all that nonsense sounds do you? You seem to have gone off the deep end when it comes to understanding exactly where all that crap really stands on the scale of actual importance. You and your tame deer industry really has no bearing at all as far as "helping the world", or the "future of science" or any of the other superlatives that you have been spouting. In reality it is just the ravings and self-aggrandizement of some guy that holds a bloated and unrealistic sense of self importance. It is a curious phenomenon to watch but every so often somebody like me has to come along and say, "Get a grip!"

The fact is you are simply pushing your product with a blatant proliferation of threads. Don't try to make anything more of it than it really is.

I keep seeing this word "knowingly" used in a lot of these articles and quotes. How is that determined? Do they have some mind reader specialist that determines if you knew you were breaking the law? Whatever happened to that old goofy saying, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse"? I would think that if that word "knowingly"is in the law, I would be simply saying, "Damn, I didn't know it had to be registered". Somehow I doubt that really would work.....lol.

It sounds like it was an unfortunate situation where the lady may have given the bears the impression of being cornered as she entered the garage. That's probably not a good thing to do with a big toothy creature. Leaving access to garbage in an enclosed area and then all of a sudden showing up standing in the only opening for escape likely gave the bear the idea that the best defense was offense.

Basically your dozens of posts are about domesticated livestock. It almost resembles spam the way you are pushing your product.

Lol ..... About 56 years ago when I took my gun hunter safety course, we did have to shoot. And here's something you never hear of anymore .... The course was conducted in the back of the school bus garage. Funny how attitudes toward guns in the schools have changed over the years. So maybe that is not a mandated part of the course anymore. In fact who knows, maybe it wasn't mandated back then either but was optional. I don't know.

I know. You have made an earnest effort to attempt to take over the forum with this deer farming nonsense to the point where it is beginning to get quite nauseating. Really, in the greater scheme of things, it truly doesn't deserve all that much attention.