Doc

I can tell you that that exact set-up (manufacturer, color and all) is what I bought more than 30 years ago. The yellow has darkened very slightly, but other than that they look exactly the same as when I bought them. They'll certainly last as long as I do so it is probably a purchase that will be a great buy for you. I have a rather nasty border. The back line is at the bottom of a 200' deep ravine with very steep rock walls. It makes this posting job something you only want to do once. You won't regret going with metal. Back it up with a good board and it will be the last time you have to worry about posting.

Imagine how safe Westchester is now that they have disarmed all the criminals ..... ha-ha. I had an old 20 gauge that I would have gladly handed in for $25. Of course the barrel was a little more suited for shooting around corners.

$1000 for an super-ugly pump action rifle? I think we really do need a better way to get back at Cuomo .... lol.

One thing we all know for sure is that people do stupid things. That is the reason we write laws in the first place. So why we would write "half of a law", I can't really imagine. But that is exactly what our shooting set-back laws are.

Nice argument against the article, and peripheral things around the article, but none of that really is an argument against the content.

I think he honestly believes what he is saying. He's just wrong and should be told so. If he's not willing to get with doing what he is supposed to be doing, maybe it's time for him to be replaced.

That was my point. The entire nature of a bowhunt will be impacted. How badly remains to be seen, but I am thinking it will be significant in a lot of different places. But like you said, you either learn to go with the flow or get pushed out. Unfortunately, for a lot of different reasons not too many people understand or appreciate how the quality of the hunt could possibly matter so much.

Yeah I know that I am making fun of some things that are real serious issues for a whole lot of people and I apologize for that. I watched that TV series, "Chasing Tail", and all I could do was shake my head as I watched those guys trying to make a hunting experience out of urban/suburban hunting. That program was supposed to be funny (I think) but it really did point up the futility and frustration of that kind of hunt. It's not something I was ever forced to do, so I kind of let my imagination get carried away a bit .... lol.

Lol .... It really does look feasible. And the price is right. Now if we could just get a bigger model that would support a short .243 caliber remote controlled firearm, I think something great could come of it all .... ha-ha. I've got to admit, that I have often sat on stand at a hot-spot wondering where the darned deer are tonight. Wouldn't it be neat to be able to send a drone out to start searching. Hey maybe if you could find them you could kind of coax them your way. Ah there's no end to the wonders of technology. Like I've said before, if you can imagine it, somebody will be marketing it some day.

It is one thing if the deer drops just over the property line and you can see it. Maybe then you can go arm-wrestle the landowner for the deer. But what happens if you simply have to access his property just to find first blood or perhaps continue the blood trail. And then if he crosses another property line and so and so on. Each property owner for however long the deer stays on it's feet has to be contacted and permission begged to follow the blood trail across one property after the other. I would be sitting there hoping no deer came by ..... lol. Maybe under with this urban/suburban hunting you should be practicing spine hits ...... Just kidding!! Sorry but some of the scenarios that I can imagine with this kind of "hunting" can get pretty comical. It does raise some interesting questions that I never had to think about before: What kind of blind is traditional for suburban hunting? .... an old VW-bus-in-the-weeds pop-up? How do you keep the neighbor kids from pointing and laughing and throwing things at you? Do you find yourself taking sides in all the neighbors arguments? Is it possible to keep up with your normal nightly TV programs through the neighbors window? Is it customary to wave to the neighbor from your treestand when he comes out to get the morning paper? When you drag your deer out of your neighbor's kid's sandbox do you carry clean sand to replace the bloody stuff? What's the best way to get the neighbor's dog to stop barking at you? Cover scent - essence of motor oil? Food plot - rhododendrons? Camo pattern - lilacs or juniper? Sorry, but the whole idea of suburban hunting is pretty new to me. It seems like there is a whole different set of problems.

Any idea what he paid for that thing? Is that a line of sight thing for steering, or can you use the camera for steering? In other words if you drop down over some trees and is out of sight, can you still fly it?

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I had a ricochet once where the arrow glanced off a limb. The arrow actually gained elevation, and went way through the woods off to somewhere. I never did find it. They can be one gosh-awful unpredictable thing. And yes, the range of a out-of-control arrow is unbelievable. I've also had an accidental release almost at full draw, but not quite anchored. That one was kind of exciting too.

Apparently it wasn't all that challenging a target. They used a rifle on it. I would have thought the shooter would have been easy to find. That guy rolling around on the ground laughing was probably the culprit.

Well look, I have been told there is an ignore button on here. So why don't you go off and check it out. Who the hell needs your whining and random attacks and crying about how you have difficulty in reading. If you have a problem with me then either leave or find that ignore feature because I can assure you, I ain't going nowhere.

Well then here' something that will put you out of your misery. Since everyone's posts make you sick, why don't you do yourself a favor and everyone else too and go somewhere else. Nobody is mandating your presence here.

When did you become the spokesman for the forum? Why don't you just go back to tooting your own horn about how great a world traveled hunter you are and let these threads progress without your disruption. And try not to throw your shoulder out of joint patting yourself on the back. I might also suggest that you take some remedial reading courses since you seem to have a difficulty in that area. Sorry to have thrown such an overwhelming challenge at you.

Is this something tat Tom King said ..... lol. How many threads do we need running at the same time about deer farms?

If we have reading challenged people that have a problem reading more than some quick one-liners, it is likely that they wouldn't understand what I was trying to say anyway. The fact is that it is not a subject that can be broken down into little tiny sound bytes. Those that find it too challenging are not required to read it. Like I say it would likely go over their head anyway. But it addresses a question that is constantly asked. If no one wants to hear the answer, they never should have asked.

Well then it sounds like it is time to be firing off a few letters to Mr. King expressing some very heavy disappointment with his attitude and leadership. If he insists on being a shill for the anti-gun forces, he is not the person for a leadership position in a pro-gun organization.

I'll be honest about my feelings regarding hunter density. The story is two part. When it comes to gun hunting, I want as many guys out there as possible. My success generally is dependent on hunters, on their feet making deer travel escape routes which my years of experience have helped me locate. That is a deadly combination of pressure and ambush. It works well in gun season because while escape corridors can be way too wide for bowhunting, I have found several pinch points that confine their travel to very good gun range. During gun season, you will often here me whining about the lack of hunters and hunter movement. So far, I have never seen a gun season where I felt there was "too much" pressure. Bow season has always been a whole different kind of thing. Because of the nature of the bow, I cannot have deer running around totally spooked and ignoring all the patterns that I have carefully learned during my scouting activities. I have to know where the deer are likely to be and when. No, there are no guarantees, and some years I do a better job of scouting and interpretation of sign than others, but my success or failure is based solely on my own efforts. I do not expect someone to drive the deer to me. I do not count on random interceptions based completely on luck and the fact that someone or some group has pushed deer in my direction. I try to keep my shots down to a very reliable 25 yards and under. You cannot do that if you are counting on random lucky opportunities. So if the hunter density increases significantly, scouting, patterning, and success goes out the window as conditions start approaching more of the gun season types of scenarios. Now this doesn't mean that I need a huge area exclusively to myself. And it really doesn't mean that an occasional accidental interference from another hunter will never happen. But there is some threshold where the pattern interrupting encounters cross over from the rare and occasional to constant and frequent. The latter is the condition of bow hunting that I would consider excessive density. And that is the condition that I fear with the insertion of crossbows into bow season. I also am guessing that crossbow hunters may be more mobile hunters particularly if they are of heavy gun experience and training. That too would have them doing much more disruption of patterns and more frequent hunt-busting. It could even create premature nocturnal movement in the herd which is death for a bowhunter. Now I'm not sure whether any of this is selfishness or not. I consider it a differentiation between conditions required for bow hunting and conditions required for gun hunting, and I hate to see the two intermixed because I do not believe that the two can successfully coexist and still maintain the bow hunting quality of the hunt. That was the primary reason that I got into bowhunting. It was the one style of hunting where I could successfully use skill and close understanding of local deer movements to apply some intellect to my hunting instead of just the random acts of blind luck of having someone accidently push a deer in front of me as is the case for gun hunting. So I took on the very demanding challenge of learning the use of a very difficult weapon and entered a hunt that was limited in numbers of participants because of the demands of the weapon. The complexity of efficiently using the weapon kept the population of participants in balance with the requirements of the sport. Certainly if that all was frustrated by massive influxes of hunter density in the woods, I would really have no reason to go out bow hunting anymore. It would then be time to confine my hunting to rifle and use a weapon that was truly fitted to the random encounter style of hunting. Holy crap. This thing has turned into a novel. But so many people ask how the insertion of crossbows could possibly impact my hunting, and I thought it was about time to answer that. That is the honest answer as to why I have opposed crossbows in archery season. I do not do the majority of my hunting on property that I can lock up and keep people off if the numbers spike ridiculously high (as I am convinced they eventually will). I do not have 6 million acres of public land that I can bury myself in to escape whatever radical changes that crossbows may cause in hunter density elsewhere. Yeah, technically it could be called selfish but to me it is the attempt to preserve a way of hunting that now runs the risk of being trashed. I suppose it's not really a huge deal for me because I likely don't have that much more time in the sport. But as long as I am participating, I feel the need to protect what has been so central to my life for five decades. Selfish or merely the defense of a cherished style of hunting .... who knows?

Yes, I definitely did think that was a strange and aggressive response even for you. A lot of crap over some manufactured issue in your mind that I still don't even understand.

Ha-ha .... It's already been done ..... http://thetandd.com/animal-rights-group-says-drone-shot-down/article_017a720a-56ce-11e1-afc4-001871e3ce6c.html

Is it possible that some creative editing was performed in this news article? Could it be some context was sacrificed in the interest of bias?

Unfortunately, the idea of walking miles and miles back to find the land that is too far for the hoards to reach. Doesn't work anymore. The word is out. Too many magazine articles on the subject. In fact you might even find hunter density less next to the state parking lots ..... lol. Seriously, I have a quad trail that takes me most of a mile up a very steep "killer hill" (and I use that term specifically because of a neighbor that was a victim of that hill). The hill is not "hands and knees" steep, but it does feel slightly uncomfortably steep even on an ATV. From the end of that hill climb, I park my ATV and then start walking deeper in until I am well in excess of a mile and a half from the road. Believe it or not after all this ATV and foot travel, when I walked over onto the state land to my stand, I have watched some of these guys huffing and puffing past me sweating like a pig and dragging 5 tons of stands, climbing stix, back pack and all kinds of equipment. Unbelievable! That kind of thing is not really all that rare. The word is out.....climb far enough back in and all the hunters disappear and all the bucks are wall-hangers. Well, sadly that's not really true anymore on either count ..... lol.