Doc

As much as hunting has dominated my life, I can't say that I have ever hunted anything with dogs. So needless to say I know absolutely nothing about it. So here comes the dumb question..... How does it all work with coyotes? certainly there is no way that humans can catch up with chasing dogs so there would be no way of getting out in front of them for an eventual shot. Coyotes don't "tree" like cougars and bears. So what is the procedure? Do they circle or something?

From what I can see, it looks like there are not any real good trees for a treestand. Not really a lot of other cover for a ground blind either. That's usually the case with apple orchards. If somehow some of the apples last until bow season, how would you go about setting up a good ambush spot? Are there trails leading into the area that might provide better treestand opportunities or ground blind possibilities?

So, will there be any residual effect on your Long Island hunting due to this hurricane? Things like trapped high water where deer trails used to be, or maybe some access roads still being a bit soupy or flooded bedding areas and such? Or do you think all effects will be gone by then? I know there is a lot of time left for things to drain, but I was wondering how something like this might effect deer patterns, and whatever past experiences that you have accumulated over the years.

Back in the mid 80's, 3 other guys and myself went on a moose bowhunt back in the wilderness of Canada. It was quite an ordeal to get back in as far as we did, and involved a few hours on a quite primitive dirt road, and a canoe trip the entire length of a lake, a 150 yard portage and then another length of lake. Things were pretty darn desolate with no sights or sounds of any sort of civilization or other humans. The shoreline camp that we set up was just the right kind of spot to get your imagination working overtime. We used to have this dog that liked to play tug-of-war with an old towel, and all the time making a gosh-awful viscious growling and snarling noise. She really sounded like some kind of rabid animal that had to be 10 times larger than she really was. I decided to make a tape of one of her tug-of-war fits. I carefully put a 15 minute section of silence on the tape and then this evil-sounding loud growling noise began. I set the tape back to the beginning and loaded up my portable tape player in the middle of my sleeping bag and off to Canada it went with us without anyone else knowing. The first night in camp, shortly after it was pitched dark, I made like I was heading out to answer a call of nature, and I planted the player out in the bush just beyond where I could be seen. I came back into camp and rejoined the other guys yacking it up around the campfire. Of course I steered the conversation toward bears and mountain lions and any other dangerous animal that might lurk this wilderness. The 15 minute silent part of the tape finally came to an end, and all of a sudden this loud growling and snarling began just outside the circle of light of the campfire. It was beautiful. Panic and chaos erupted as everyone grabbed for their bows and knives and anything else for self defense. Finally, everyone got quiet as we all tried to figure out a defense against this threatening unseen creature. Of course I had this great idea that I was going to go out there and drive that thing away. They bought it, and so we all started a slow walk into the darkness. Finally as we all snuck up on this tape player, I dove on it and came up triumphantly displaying the slain animal (my tape player). I got to thinking later that this little prank could have cost me a nightime swim in the lake, but fortunately everybody took it all well. However, I still hear about it everytime we get together. Not for me, but for those guys, I suspect it was perhaps the scariest situation they have ever been in.

Yup.....I'm getting way too many of those pictures of deer zeroed in on my Primos truth cam, giving me that "just who do you think you're kidding" staredown. I bought an IR camera with the whole thing in mind that I didn't want a flash going off everytime a deer came down the trail. What I didn't know was that Primos has a definite "clunk" sound when the motion sensor goes off. Also, the motion sensor works in conjunction with a red LED, and then when a picture is taken, a green (the one color that deer see the best) LED comes on. Well, over time, all the deer in the area have become very well aquainted with my camera. Nobody seems to be avoiding the area, but I just don't like the idea of setting up warning devices along the deer trails. So far I have not had any bucks in the pictures (something that is starting to worry me a bit), but I am beginning to wonder about how smart it is to be messing with the deer this way. I can't say that I've heard anything out of my Bushnell when it goes off, but that Primos is definitely not quiet. Anybody else noticing this "staredown" when the pictures go off? I have seen a few of them in some of the posted photos here. Anybody worried about that sort of thing? Will the deer continue to just be a bit curious about these cameras, or will they eventually change patterns because of them?

OK ..... Lifetime Sportsman license ..... (actually they call it a "Lifetime Sportsman + fish) Here's what it all consists of: 1 - back tag 1 - bear carcass tag 1 - turkey carcass tag (Spring) 1 - turkey carcass tag (Spring) 1 - deer carcass tag 1 - Fall turkey carcass tag 1 - Fall turkey carcass tag 1 - general license 1 - reporting panel 1 - reporting panel overflow The last tag is sort of a bill-of-lading that lists what all is attached. Don't ask me what those last two "reporting panels" are used for. So far I haven't read any further to figure it out. Any antlerless permits or archery licenses or muzzle loader licenses are NOTpart of the lifetime sportsman license and have to be obtained and paid for separately. The fee for $10 permit application fee is waived for a Lifetime Sportsman License purchased prior to October 1, 2009. The archery or muzzleloader license is a completely separate issue and requires separate licenses and payment. For those that are dealing with the contents of a Lifetime Bow License, I can't help you out with that. I don't have one.

It's a lot better now. I had a rather severe speed issue, but I logged back off and came back in and it seems to be ok now. Could have been some issue from my end.

One big difference is that the primos camera only costs $119 and the Bushnell is around $200. Also there is some kind of PC software that comes with the Primos. Not sure exactly what it does, but may have something to do with making the view-back easier.

Yeah, I have noticed those changes. It's starting!

If I had my Bushnell TC setup to watch my plots, I could just program it to take say 1 pic every 5min, for the first 2hrs of daylight and the last 2hrs before dark. With that setup, that's only 48 pics/day. With regular Duracells, I get 4000+ pics before they die. Given how much ground deer cover in 5 minutes, can that arrangement ensure that you will catch the exact point where the deer come into the field? That first picture of them, they may already be in the middle of the plot. I like the idea that you can choose only a certain number of hours to be photographing. I think that generally there is not much deer activity in fields to photograph during the middle bunch of hours.

Yeah, I think that's what I said.....lol.

You clearly made a point that you indeed missed. Like you said a food plot lures dear into an AREA and a bait pile lures a deer into a spot, rather a specific spot. You guys really want to know the real difference between the DEC's view of food plots and bait? In my opinion, it is that food plots are individual contributions to habitat that the DEC doesn't have to pay for or support in any way. In other words, food plots allow hunters to do the DEC's work for them free of charge. There's nothing about baiting that does this same habitat enhancement thing.

But there still is the question of battery life. Isn't that a concern for a camera that is taking pictures all day?

But the real important question is, what about the snakes, and poisonous bugs. I won't even go hunting down south because of those kinds of critters. I don't go anywhere where the daily regimen includes shaking the poisonous things out of your boots and clothes every morning.....lol. That all isn't said entirely in jest. I have seen TV shows depicting guys walking through thick chest high grass in Africa. I doubt there is a trophy anything that could coax me into doing that.

If you want to see where politicizing of game management can lead, just look at the history of the New Jersey bear season.

I'm still trying to understand why it requires a survey to determine how many deer hunters there are? What the heck..... every state sells licences. I would guess that every state tallies up those sales. What is the problem with collecting and using real license sales figures? These people are so enthralled with the black art of statistics that even when real honest to goodness numbers are available, they still rely on some miniscule statistical sampling.

Oh now you've done it! I imagine ol' WNYBuckhunter will be explaining why it is impossible for you to have seen what you saw ...... ;D . He should be in here momentarily demanding pictures, hair samples and casts of tracks and maybe even a DNA report all on a notarized form......lol. You know what you can do with that comment Doc. If youd get off your high horse and start reading instead of skimming comments and ASSuming, youd see that I dont demand anything, but Im not going to take your story seriously unless you back it up with evidence. I dont give a rats ass what you think of my opinion. If you are going to make a claim and someone calls you on it, and you cant back it up with evidence, dont start crying foul. See, I told you you were taking all this way too seriously. Where is your sense of humor. Now that reply was funny right there, I don't care who you are. The fact that it was based on all of your previous replies does not take away the fact that it was funny. As I said before ..... "relax". There's no need for worrying about rat's asses and high horses ..... lol.

I'm just guessing here, but perhaps since the deer are out there for awhile, you might be able to pick up their presence as the pictures go by and then frame by frame go back to the entry frame. I'm picturing something like a movie where if something is added to the picture, you generally can see the change. Like I say that's just a guess. It would be interesting to hear from someone who has used one of these things to explain that point.

Oh now you've done it! I imagine ol' WNYBuckhunter will be explaining why it is impossible for you to have seen what you saw ...... ;D . He should be in here momentarily demanding pictures, hair samples and casts of tracks and maybe even a DNA report all on a notarized form......lol.

Yeah, I think I got the gist of what you've been saying.

Actually, such baiting techniques violate the "feeding" prohibitions as well.

I don't know about any of your facts that you think prove that it's impossible for someone to have seen a mountain lion in NY, but you sure do seem to be on a super-serious crusade even in the face of proof that we now know that at least one mountain lion has indeed been shown to have passed through. This latest documented visit also implies that we have absolutely no idea just how many others have done the same thing before. But anyway, I am just suggesting that you calm down a little and try to keep perspective on things before always jumping into the combative mode. It makes conversations a bit more pleasant. However I must say, if it is that necessary for you to shut out any possibilities that any sightings might be real, I sure don't want to disturb your beliefs. Maybe it all has something to do with your comfort level when walking to a stand in the dark ..... I don't know ;D . Frankly it doesn't matter that much to me. But, I learned a long time ago never to say never.

It sure does raise a question about how much technology is too much. Every year they come up with more stuff to take the "hands-on" parts of hunting out of the equation. If only they could couple all this up with set-guns they might be able to reduce deer hunting down to simple set-up and collect. Aren't we all looking forward to that day? ;D

Experiences relative to hunting permission probably varies by region. I have not had a lot of luck with the permission thing. The usual excuse ....... "We already have people that hunt here". I even had a door slammed in my face without another word as soon as I mentioned I was a hunter. I don't know .... maybe we just have a tough neighborhood ...... lol.

Oh relax for crying out loud. Just because I do not get all hostile and disagreeable whenever someone thinks they saw a mountain lion, and simply because I have not made the subject the center of my universe doesn't mean that I can't have an opinion. If that bothers you, then maybe internet forums are not for you! Probably too much has already been made of what you think it should take to convince you. Frankly that discussion doesn't interest me. For me, if someone thinks they saw a mountain lion, I am not going to make a career out of trying to prove them a liar. That sort of thing just doesn't interest or entertain me at all. I don't know whether as a child you got frightened by a mountain lion story or what, but man, you take this stuff way too seriously. :