Doc

What bothers me are all those 5-shot volleys that I hear every year. I think all of those people think they are some kind of rapid-fire experts too. These are not follow up shots, I am sure. I have found many of the results in the woods later on in or after the season. Like I say, there may very well be an occasional accomplished shooter who can maybe reliably take these kinds of shots, but I suspect there are a lot more who think they can, but more than likely have practiced just enough to get a slug somewhere in the deer, and consider that "good enough". And even more important, I think we all know about the safety rule of being sure about the back-drop of each shot to ensure what is in the line of fire. By the time that 5th shot has been swung through the woods, I doubt that anyone can say for sure that they are absolutely certain that someone has not stepped into the line of fire. And those doing this rapid fire with a scope, absolutely have no idea what will be behind the 3rd, 4th or 5th slug that they send into the woods. I don't know, others can do what they want, but those are just a couple of reasons that I simply do not shoot at running deer, or even want to be anywhere around those that do.

I guess I was just taught a little differently, to pick a spot and deliver a quick humane kill. I avoid running shots, but have heard many of these kinds of shots of guys ripping out 5 shots as quickly as they possibly can. I suspect that most of them are blowing off legs or ponding holes in the middle of some of the best venison cuts, and I doubt very much if any of them know much about what or who may be in line with the last shots. I am not saying that people can't get very proficient at making such shots. I have seen trick shot artists do some very amazing things. However, I suspect there are far more that really aren't as good at it as they imagine they are. On the other hand, I must say that it looks like a lot of fun for novelty shooting. I just don't want to be the guy stuck with rolling the targets back up the hill.....lol.

Our garden is so waterlogged that even the weeds won't grow ..... lol. Things are starting to dry out a bit now, but I think it is too late to save much of anything. The rain delays kept me from tilling the ground and planting until well into June. I stubbornly still planted it but the growing season has been perfect for seed rot and drowning of root systems. We might get some tiny beets and carrots, and if we are lucky, some of the squash may actually develop ...... maybe.

I believe the point of this post is going over most of your heads.

I get a little uneasy whenever there are toothy critters that begin to lose their natural fear of humans no matter what they are. And yes details of coyote attacks are not exactly hard to find anymore with at least one death that I have heard of. We have all seen the stories and pictures of coyotes moving into cities and becoming brazen challengers of residents there. Any of these predators that are allowed to multiply unchecked, will sooner or later result in some nasty encounters with humans. So I may not be quite as eager as some to imply that someone is stretching the truth.

Now wait a minute. That deer doesn't have a deep sway in the back, and I'll bet he still has a tooth or two left in his head. He can probably still hear and see. I don't think he is quite ready to harvest yet. give him another 4 or 5 years and then he will be mature enough to consider taking.....lol.

Ok, now conjure up a scenario where the other bigger bucks came through on the backside of the camera like genesee_mohican suggested....lol.

Butt seriously ...... Can't a guy feel the breeze on his ass when that butt-crack is hanging out. I mean that display can't really be by accident, can it? Anyway, the picture is funny.

Nope Waterloo won't do it..... you still have a bunch more miles to go. The Bass-pro shop over there is in Auburn. I think it's a pretty nice store. Like the rest of them prices are not really any bargain, but they have always had what I was looking for. It's worth the trip if you have a day with nothing to do. Love the fish tank!

Actually, my still hunting in gun season looks more like very, very slow progress through certain stretches of woods that is basically a series of many stand hunts. Walk very slow for 50 to 100 yards and then sit for a half hour or so and then repeat. So in a way, it can be considered an all-day stand, just not at one place. The all day stand on the gun opener is truly all day in one place.

Opening day of gun season is an all-day sit. I just sit there staring off into space, drinking coffee, and munching down sandwiches. My luck during gun season relies on a major escape route, which depends on hunter movement. And that movement can come at anytime during the day. The rest of the gun season is all still hunting for as long as my old legs can take it. Bow season is generally a couple hours in the morning and a couple hours in the afternoon on stand. I try not to make it a test of endurance.

It sounds like there really isn't any consistency to the program. Everybody's got a different story about how the nuisance permit system worked for them.

What is it that is so irritating about Eustace? I don't have a very high opinion of him either, but I can't really figure out any specific reasons ..... lol. But poor old Preston was the one offsetting personality in their segment of the program that made it possible to put up with Eustace. I do get a kick out of the creativity of both of them. That wood-burning powered truck was just brilliant. I've never seen anything like it. I didn't even know it was possible.

Ok, I just found an article that seems to answer my own question: http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2017/04/12/fishers-ridge-bass-pro-go/100383372/

So, speaking of the Bass-Pro in Victor, has anyone heard anything about the progress or future of that new store. They are way, way past the original advertised opening date, and the subject seems to have gone completely dormant. Have they dropped the whole idea, or is there some local roadblocks or other problems involved?

Good! Several replies here made it sound like trophy hunting was a problem with the current rules. But if they are antlerless-only, that cannot really be a problem. So why hunters using nuisance permits would be passing does and waiting for trophy deer really doesn't make any sense, does it?

You are doing it right. 30# is probably a good place to start. It allows archery muscles to develop without damage. You'll know when to go for the big upgrade. As far as the arm guard is concerned, I still use an arm guard. I use it more to keep control of bulky clothing. And yes, if you start whacking your arm, that is a good indicator that something is slipping up in your form. Good clean arrow flight will never be achieved if you are hitting anything with the string on release. Roll that elbow out a bit and train that to automatically be part of your bow arm form. Pay attention to your grip also since that can be a primary contributor to an elbow rolling in.

Many years ago, Fred Bear coined the phrase, " Be a two season hunter". I guess I took him seriously because I do enjoy both kinds of hunting and really wouldn't want to give up either one. There really is nothing in common between bow season and gun season except you are trying to get a deer. The style and requirements are completely different but I find each one has its own unique challenges.

Wouldn't you think that nuisance permits would be good only for does? I mean the object is to cut population. Also, there would be no problems with people passing does as they wait for a trophy. Seems like an obvious requirement to me. But from what I am reading here, it sounds like that is not the case. Anybody know why?

It makes you wonder how he gets those things between the trees.

Ha-ha-ha..... I remember our 30th high school class reunion. That was almost 20 years ago. The 50th will be coming around soon if there are still enough left to organize a reunion ....lol. We had a pretty small graduating class to start with.

Take a look at the program, "Antiques Road show and take note of how so many of these valuable items were bought at yard sales from people who basically thought they were junk. But those things happen. We cannot be experts on every item that we have laying around the home. I wonder if I have thrown away or given away things that were worth much more than I realized. Probably have.

So now we are defending hunting by attacking commercial meat producers. Count me out on that style of defense.

Probably one of the worst ways to begin archery is to be over-bowed, regardless of what kind of bow you are using. And really it has nothing to do with the archer's physical build. the muscles used in archery are a specialized set of muscles that have little to do with other forms of activity. I have watched non-archers try to draw my bows and noted that even some rather big guys have to grunt and struggle with what seems very easy to me. You cannot work on proper form if you are struggling with just the simple act of pulling the string back. I think another good thing to consider is that it is not likely that the first bow that you buy will be the one you wind up hunting with for years and years. It takes some experience to understand what works best for you. The reason I mention that is because we often have a tendency to throw money at our first purchase thinking that we can buy the perfect bow right off if we spend enough money. All that will do for you is to saddle you with an expensive bow that you will feel that you have to make work for you. I am more of a proponent of buying a cheap "starter bow" and grow into a final purchase that you have proven you need. A starter bow will develop those "archery muscles" quickly and at low expense. Almost any bow will serve to learn the fundamentals of proper shooting form as long as you are not struggling too much with it. In fact I would suggest buying used equipment for your first bow. Cheap and light with well matched equipment, and you will be off to a great start. You can buy that "dream bow" later after you have learned how to shoot.

You seem to be forgetting that these programs are voluntary. No one is compelled to take part. The government is not forcing any farmer to do anything. They simply are applying reasonable rules to what amounts to a government subsidy involving state owned resources. Farmers are asking for special dispensation that allows them to disregard regulations designed to manage a state resource. So if that special privilege involves special requirements, he still has the right to refuse participation in the program.