Doc

Ha-ha-ha..... I like to argue. But eventually, just like the election, you have to realize when an issue has reached the point of not being arguable any more and simply move on. Just like the election, the crossbow issue is pretty much a done deal. One side won, one side lost. It is done. But, I am still a sucker for the old crossbow debate and things like it where someone is trying to force themselves into bow season.....lol. So, I am taking a break on this one and waiting for the next similar debate........ and there will always be another one. I suppose when the muzzleloaders want to get an even bigger bite in the bow season, there will be another debate with a different twist to it. Or maybe the air-gunners will take a liking to the bow season ..... or maybe some other wacky weapon that we're not even aware of yet. Everybody has their eye on bow season even though everybody thinks it all ends with just the crossbow. Call it all whatever you want, arguing, debating, discussing, it all forms the lion's share of what forums are all about. So let's get on to the next one!

I have seen the effect of tasers, and often wondered how the human heart can handle that kind of trauma. I mean it looks like every muscle in the body is under full attack, and I would assume that would include the heart. I wonder if that might be the reason that the Buffalo police use other means. I realize that trying to incapacitate an individual always involves some risk and body trauma, but wait until the first case of someone dying from a tasering. The media will go ballistic.

Yeah, but now you have made it clear, and we all clearly understand what an anti-American jerk you are, so who really gives a damn what you think?

Now there is an idea that I could get behind .... BUT ..... There is a problem with popping weapons in and out of specific areas based on ever-changing deer population numbers. These x-bows are not cheap, and people will not lay out that kind of money on a weapon that may be used for a few years and then pulled out based on what the deer populations are for each year. However, I have to agree that almost anything would be better than that failed ridiculous plan that the DEC came up with when they put WMU population control exclusively on the backs of bow hunters. Now that really was dumb!

Grand-kids ..... the neatest things ever invented. You can spoil the heck out of them and then send them home with their parents. They are also great for revenge. Your kids will finally realize what they put you through. Anyway, life has just been added to for you. And twins at that. That's a pretty good deal!

Fear not! You aren't likely to see me running around with a crossbow in the woods......lol. I am completely confused as to what you are talking about. My entire season take was exactly 1 doe. My gosh, you took 3 deer? What a game-hog ..... lol.

I am simply pointing out the numbers, as a partial answer to the question asked by the original topic. The numbers show that Ohio is not some kind of super-state or utopia as depicted by some here. This is simply a case of "the grass being greener on the other side of the fence". Looking at the numbers without the emotion being attached helps to answer the original question of this thread of how the addition of crossbows could impact the deer hunting in this state. I am not saying that Ohio DNR is staffed with wizards as some have lead themselves to believe. I am simply showing you what has happened there, using their own actual harvest numbers as a potential answer to the original question of this thread. I leave it up to others to look at those numbers and determine if that is the kind of result we are looking to create. We don't have to theorize. There is a pretty clear example to provide actual experienced data. I am also pointing out that resident hunters are a bit unhappy with those results as well as the DNR itself. Read the article!

Sounds like something one of the ISIS people would say doesn't it. Sentiments that any extreme enemy of the country would say....... or just an idiot.........or both! Is this guy really expecting any credibility? He just sounds like some kind of raving jihadist, make a complete jackass of himself on a daily basis....lol. Talk about an uneducated, a-hole, clown, complete moron, and idiot ..................... What else can you really say about a guy that would wish "complete chaos and failure" on his own country and the people within it.

The crossbow in Ohio has made a much larger change to deer hunting in that state than most realize. Reading an article about deer harvests and the implements involved is a real eye-opener. https://wildlife.ohiodnr.gov/Portals/wildlife/pdfs/publications/hunting/Pub 5304_DeerSummary_FINAL.pdf The season lengths have made for an interesting results. The largest deer take in that state now belongs to the crossbow hunters. The combined archery season harvest has overtaken the gun harvest. The gunners have been reduced significantly in season length and also their chances of harvesting deer. Here's the 2014-2015 results: Bow season- 47,538 taken with the crossbow 34112 taken with the vertical bow Gun season- 65,484 taken with the gun You all might be interested in reading that article. There are a lot of surprising differences between the way Ohio does things and we do, in a lot of significant ways. Another interesting thing that I found in other articles is is that Ohio is going through a significant harvest hit that is causing an awful lot of whining. Not all is going well in the Ohio deer hunting paradise that everyone likes to point to as a model for NYS to use.

You are allowed to use 4 wheelers on public land????

I have to wonder what it is like to be completely broken with such a hopeless and helpless outlook. Such miserable people they must be. I know it sure does help those with their status-quo ideas and attitudes cruise along maintaining that system. At least it did until this last election. I wonder what your darling Hilary would have done to "change the workings of D.C." As near as I can see, the only changes she wanted to make was to further entrench that system to participate (further) and benefit (further) from the corruption...... not eliminate it.

Check out https://wildlife.ohiodnr.gov/Portals/wildlife/pdfs/publications/hunting/Pub 5304_DeerSummary_FINAL.pdf That page has harvest numbers from a previous season along with some top county locations and numbers. From what I can see there you might want to leave the rifle at home and take the crossbow. Combined archery numbers are higher than the gun numbers. At least that's my take on it. Check it out and see what you think. It's hard to say because of the short gun season compared to the massive archery season.

So you really don't care what weapons they include in bow season ..... Right? As far as you are concerned, anybody should be able to use whatever they want in the bow season because you "don't dictate what others do". Bring it on ..... right? There's a lot of that going on these days .... lol. It kind of makes you wonder why they call it bow season.

Well, let's put it this way: I'm sure the DEC is going to be hounding and threatening the bowhunters that they have to do something about the deer population here in 8N ..... or else!

Has anyone seen any reports from the big orange army where someone saw one? Any of them scooting across people's yards or eating their pets, or rooting up their yards? Can anyone post a trail cam picture of one? I have to say that with way these things multiply with their multiple litters per year, we ought to be buried in them by now. Hey, the DEC must be doing a real bang-up job of keeping them cleaned out.

You know, I have been wondering just what happened to all the hub-bub about the wild hog invasion in NYS. All of a sudden nobody talks about them anymore. I know they are occasionally spotted around and usually turn out to somebody's pig that got out. Over here in Ontario County we had some Russian boars that some game farm were raising, and a farmer shot one that was harassing his livestock. Amazingly apparently the ground opened up and swallowed the rest of them because over the 7 or 8 years since nobody has seen them again. It really is seeming to be a huge deal made out of nothing, and the rest of the escaped invaders just seemed to disappear. I don't know, but the huge scare seems to have really faded away from the news as quickly as it all came about. By the way has anybody seen any reports on the current body count that the DEC has successfully removed from NYS?

But they want to keep some hunters out of bow season, and that is just as exclusionary (selfish) as bowhunters wanting to keep crossbows out of bow season. The point is, when one decides to go the name-calling route, the same kind of rationale goes for them as well when they start adopting the same behavior. To say it applies to everyone but themselves is indeed hypocrisy. I don't give a damn about all the crap of comparing this to that.....exclusion is exclusion, and if that is to be labeled selfishness for bowhunters then the same has to be true for crossbow shooters. And that is about all that should be necessary to say about that.... lol.

Must be the DEC is doing a great job of getting rid of these phantom hogs ....Eh? At least that is likely the spin they would put on it. By the way, they are doing a great job of keeping the elephant population down too. You'll notice you never see any around NYS anywhere. Keep up the great work DEC!

The point is that they are calling bowhunters "selfish" who feel that crossbows should be excluded from bow seasons and then admit that they too will exclude others from that season now that they have elbowed their way into the bowseason. If you can't see the hypocrisy in that, then I haven't a shot at ever explaining it.

What a great attitude! Politics first - country be damned. It is looking like you and Obama have the same anti-American views. Now we have a pretty good idea of what you both are. So much for your credibility.

First of all, thank you for so generously welcoming me into the season that for years has been established exclusively for bows. That's damn nice of you. Secondly, it sounds like you are already eager to exclude gun hunters of all sorts which now puts you neck-deep in hypocrisy and selfishness. I guess you don't want all those gunners shooting YOUR deer. Now maybe you understand how stupid you sound repeating your goofy sounding selfish and elitism mantra. Your own arguments aren't even supported by yourself ..... lol. From what I have seen here all you can do is repeat yourself without ever reading or addressing any responses. That to me is not discussion, but rather propagandizing. So it really looks like there is no point in trying to have a discussion with you since you have no intent of doing so. I have recognized your attempts at hijacking the topic because you weren't having a whole lot of luck with the way it was going, and I refuse to allow you to do that. You have now been shown to be a hypocrite which pretty much voids every scrap of your credibility. I am willing to continue the debate with anyone else that is serious about listening to other opinions, but as near as I can determine, you are not even reading my responses. So why bother?

Unfortunately that is not a unique reaction. Today, hunting is lacking the "cool" factor. Society is succumbing to the pressures exerted by the anti-hunting organizations and their well-financed animal rights campaigns. While we sit here comfortable and making fun of their antics and feeling very confident that the public is viewing their nonsense in a mocking dismissive fashion, the hearts and minds of whole generations and even existing hunters themselves right under our naïve and self-deluded noses.

I am beginning to wonder if Obama is slipping over the edge a bit. Some of his most recent moves seem to be designed to deliberately sabotage the trump presidency with an attitude of "the country be damned". This Russian payback fiasco which may turn out to be an Obama pipe dream. And now the Obama orchestrated Jewish blind-side of the UN vote on their homeland settlement issue. What is going on with this guy. Has he lost it because his worthless legacy is likely going to be shown as trash? Or perhaps he is just holding his breath, laying on the floor and kicking his feet because Trump is getting more news attention than he is. He kind of indicated that that sort of bothers him with his "There can only be one President" remark. Is he going off the deep end because he presided over a most disastrous political loss in the recent election, the blame for which lies right on his doorstep. And now he is throwing Hillary under the bus stating that if he had been running instead of that clown Clinton they would have won the election. What more is a crazed lame duck president capable of? The possibilities are very scary. He is in a position of doing some real damage to the Trump presidency and the country, and lately it doesn't seem to bother him a whole bunch that his little hissy fits over his failed presidency is stirring up a lot of headaches for this country. Nothing compared to the damage done in his two terms, but reckless and irresponsible nonetheless. I won't be breathing easy until this guy is stripped of all political power and vacant from the political scene and a more mentally stable Trump finally takes over.

I was just thinking of much the same thing the other day as I glanced around the Christmas table and watched all the youngsters wearing their thumbs down feverishly pounding out messages. I even saw two of them that were sitting next to each other texting between themselves. And I was thinking to myself, "These are the kids we are supposed to interest in hunting? ...... It can't be done!" The harder we try to keep the activity alive, the more technological items that get invented to deflect new comers from hunting. That's why just dragging a kid out in the woods needs something new and untried to change the basic motivations. I thought this thread might uncover something, but I guess it is society that we would have to change. Sadly, it ain't going to happen.

Yes there is a feeling of self-sufficiency and independence that gets into my blood during every hunt. But in reality, if I am to be honest, I and my family would surely starve to death if we were dependent on my hunting for sustenance.