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Been doing a camp hunt with several friends for longer than I can remember. Sometimes there is 6 or more of us. We have community campfire meals. I tell you we keep it sort of simple but we eat well. Everyone looks forward to eating around the campfire and sharing the years stories. Everything is cooked on the campfire. It does not take any longer than cooking it indoors on a stove, taste way better over open fire, I mean way better. Its a community camfire meal because we all bring food and share it. Hamburg, chicken, sausage patties, OF COURSE VENISON, steak you name it if it gets cooked we have had it. Now if a guy brought spaghetti he would get laughed out of camp. Pasta salad for a side is good but no spaghetti for a main course lol. Do the campfire cookout, make a tradition of it and you wont be sorry at all. Good time, good food, good friends sitting aroung the firepit after a days hunt, Life is good!

You guys done with the whos got the bigger penis contest yet?

Deer hunting is most all of Oswego County certainly isnt "real good". Its okay but not great by any means. Not a whole lot of doe permits available either. Some of the farmers around me here in Oswego County are leasing at 500 for every 100 acres and 500 being a minimum even if its 40 acres.

Is there gas in the oil? Check the oil before you do anything, gas washing bearings in a motor is bad. I just went through this with mine. Oil was like 2 stroke gas when I drained it. Did a carb kit rebuild and same problem. The petcock has a diaghram pump in it that pumps fuel to the engine and it was rotted from ethanol and leting gas leak in the motor. Runs like a top now.

You guys got this all wrong. Xbow hunters are the subculture. I kid I kid. Seriously though you guys know what Gun Hunters and bow hunters have in common? They are both HUNTERS. There are idiots amongst both its the way it has been since the begining and the way it will remain. You cant fix stupid its embedded in there DNA. How many of these types passed there hunter ed course? They know better yet choose not too.

Thinking the 50cal will do the job lol.

Yep thats Barcleys. Dougleston Salmon Run. You be harded pressed to find any locals pay a cent to fish there. With good reason. Out of towners sure seem to love giving there money to the senator to fish on a piece of water that no regular individual could ever get the state to bend over for the famous Salmon River scam.

Here the early frost put a hurting on the local corn. Most all are chopping it as silage and running packers over it in big heaping piles. Was told that a frost will harden the outside of the kernal and seal the moisture in and there is nothing that can be done except spend more money than its worth running dryers. Some are leaving it and putting a claim on the crop insurance. Good for the wildlife I guess but not so much for the farmers and hunters.

Would Love to hear where this private stretch is on the SR. The only private owned piece is Barcleys land and you can get a day permit, weekend permit or season permit but you are not fishing alone as many many people fish this area. other than that the river has a fishermans easement on both sides from one end to the other. As far as a guide Call Fat Nancys and ask for Frenchy. He is the guide who brought center pin fishing to the SR. Great guy, great family and he will bank fish and spend the time teaching you the ins and outs of steelhead fishing and all the good spots.

I work side by side with the Amish on a weekly bases and will tell you there personalities are no different than us. There are good ones and there are bad ones. They will even tell you this if you know them well enough. There are so many different variations of the Amish they dont even know them all. The two main ones are old order and new order Amish. The old order, which is the Amish we have here are easily respected and have been a nice addition to our community. Yes they hunt, yes they own guns, yes some of them bowhunt and yes they use flashlights. None of them I know play outside the hunting regulations we all have to adhere to. However there is a small problem when it comes to them having to go on the internet or place a phone call to report there harvest. They just cant. I know they have mailed in a report in the past. There are quite a few that let me hunt with them or there land as well. Oddly enough they are not the most patient hunters in the woods, and do not harvest the amount of deer some of us would think. Most often they are pleased to give a couple guys permission to hunt there farms in trade for some venison. Now mind you this is the old order Amish by me. I cant speak for elswhere and I suspect just like most things in life gossip tends to be BS more often than not. The Bishop sets there boundaries for them, there are normally several Bishops in a community. Some Bishops are easier going than others but one thing is certain you dont cross the bishop and his guidelines. Some of the things that are acceptable and not to us seem silly but once you get an understanding of why certain things are okay and others not you would better understand before making a judgement. They lead a simple yet very effective lifestyle. If you ever get invited to a barn raising you would be amazed at how well a community works together to help each other. A couple weeks ago I was welding some farm equipment for an Amish fellow and there were 6 adults there cutting this amish guys wood for the winter. In the 6 hours I was there they had cut all his firewood for his house and his workshop for the entire winter. To the question at hand I would just talk to the Father, they may be shooting deer out of the season, or they may not be, maybe they shot a coyote, maybe they are trappers putting down a catch, maybe they are shooting the pigeons that are crapping all over there hay in the barn. There could be many reasons. As far as deer populations 15 years ago compared to today, we have the exact same scenario at my camp. 15 years ago we seen groups of does with upwards of a dozen deer in them, was nothing to see 30 bucks in a bow season. Now you see single does and at most 3 together at once. 6 different buck sightings in one bow season is a good season. And there are no Amish anywhere near camp. A while back Pa guys bought up some land around us, built camps when the AR crap hit Pa. All good people but opening gun season the local gun club has a dinner the night before, I remember we all sat at the same table and there were over 40 dmp tags all together in our pockets. Didnt take long and the herd was thinned pretty fast on the hill.

I think the Mauser spanked its but with having a clip and how fast the Mauser could be reloaded compared the the KRAG. And excuse me for hitting an E instead of the A. Back in the 70's as the story was told to me, Fish and Game clubs use to get deals on old military guns that went to surplus, the game clubs members would order them. This is were the 30/40 krag my father owns came from, along with an M1. But soon after the M1's were bought the government wanted them returned. The ammo on the other hand they didnt want back.

Past 2 seasons in 7m where Im at in S Tier its been the very last days of bow season and first week of gun when we have seen the most sign and chasing starting. Seems its going to be the same this year as well. Been seeing more deer than years past though.

You just need to run faster than the guy next to you is all. LOL

Last rifle I bought was going to be a 300 weatherby, why I dont know I just wanted one. I was all ready to buy and then I asked how much the shells were for it. Well that gun went back on the shelf in a hurry. Back then I couldnt fathom spending 2 bucks a round, now everything seems to be 2 bucks a round. Crazy!

Mine is when I forget to take my knife with me lol. Seems when I forget it Im succesful, yet when I have it Im going home with all my tags in my pocket. Heck I have bought so many knives from forgetting one you think they would be falling out of the truck on the ground when I open the door, but nope I can never seem to find one when I need it. I have tried forgetting one on purpose but that doesnt work either. I have to literly just plain forget it not pretend too. LMAO

Yes Im serious there is one in the gun cabinet. Its my fathers gun, I used it a while back to shoot it and he told me to hang on to it. Those old steel buttplates sure do put a hurt on the shoulder.

Remember the 30/40 Kreg? Yep and there is one in the gun cabinet.

Just for gits and shiggles I looked up the national preliminary report on revenue generated on hunting and fishing in the us. $130,800,000,000 annually and that is just the income from two sources that fund the DNR/DEC. Imagine what they get from natural gas and oil.

Still small change in comparrison to what the govt has and can fight with, small change in comparrison to the economy guns bring to this country. Anyone can see for any amount they want, will they get it or is bases of the lawsuit worth the sum they are asking, doubtful. And let me ask you who put the agriculture laws in place? Well the government did, and again if you think the government cant change them to suit there agenda your absolutely nuts. You and I and everyone in between own NOTHING in this country we are just renters of the government and they can and will take it if they so desire, big lawyers or not.

WIth all due respect Four Seasons I touched on this lightly a bit ago in this thread and if they want you shut down they will regardless of your thoughts. 2.4 million 5 or 6 times a years is pretty small change in comparrison to a whole lot of other business and government income. Comparing the safe act to deer farming is just so far off base of reality. Here is a small comparisson of your 2.4 millionx 5 or 6 auctions. US gun sales put $33,000,000,000 thats 33 billion dollars annually into the US economy it employs 220,000 people in the US. Those numbers alone are astronomical in comparrison to what Deer Farming contributes to the economy, and yet we have the safe act when millions of people have said the same exact thing you keep saying, we are untouchable. If they want you gone it would of happened.

Always great to see a bunch of unrelated useless garbage that has zero relavence to the topic at hand or even usefull in any form to anyone. On that note I have a question. I have searched and come up dead ended on this one. How is the prion detected in farmers crops or the soil yet to detect it in an animal it needs to be dead? If it came from the animal via dead carcas, urine or fecal matter why can areas not be tested through plants, soil or waste left from these animals? If it is detected in the alfalfa you speak of then why can it not be detected by other means in the wild or in captive areas? Or is this another scientific guess that prions could be in the feed but we are just not positive? There is so much open ended speculation on this topic its mind boggling.

I have read quite a lot of the research and you are correct on the different thought, but thats where things get real blury is they are mostly thoughts, educated guesses and not enough scientific data to make a solid conclusion on most every aspect of CWD. We all know that there is no understanding the reasons behind the government when they are involved in anything. In all honesty and not meant to criticize, but its not exactly a natural act to capture, play with genetics, breed, market, sell, hunt and kill these animals outside the wild free ranging population. Anyone who does should expect some double standards and finger pointing. Is it right or fair I cant answer that but I would say anytime that the branches of government that are there to maintain the enviorment and its animals they are going to make your business less than the idea you expect it to be. Look at it this way it could be worse, if they truly wanted you guys gone it can be done with a piece of paper and some signatures on it.

I would also suggest you just dont buy your alfalfa from out west lmao

That is a question that is hard to answer for anyone, due to it not being know exactly how CWD is being transmitted. Here is a cut and paste from the CWDA How Does CWD Spread? It is not known exactly how CWD is transmitted. The infectious agent may be passed in feces, urine or saliva. Transmission is thought to be lateral (from animal to animal). Although maternal transmission (from mother to fetus) may occur, it appears to be relatively unimportant in maintaining epidemics. The minimal incubation period between infection and development of clinical disease appears to be approximately 16 months. The maximal incubation period is unknown, as is the point at which shedding of the CWD agent begins during the prolonged course of infection. Because CWD infectious agents are extremely resistant in the environment, transmission may be both direct and indirect. Concentrating deer and elk in captivity or by artificial feeding probably increases the likelihood of both direct and indirect transmission between individuals. Contaminated pastures appear to have served as sources of infection in some CWD epidemics. The apparent persistence of the infectious agents in contaminated environments represents a significant obstacle to eradication of CWD from either captive or free-ranging cervid populations. The movement of live animals is one of the greatest risk factors in spreading the disease into new areas. Natural movements of wild deer and elk contribute to the spread of the disease, and human-aided transportation of both captive and wild animals greatly exacerbates this risk factor. The apparent spread of CWD between captive and wild cervids is a matter of hot debate. Although strong circumstantial evidence suggests that CWD has spread from positive captive elk to wild cervids in some instances, it may never be proven which group of animals represents the source of infection. It is likely that the disease has been passed in both directions (from captive to wild animals, and from wild to captive animals).

Well if I had to use the same broadheads for eternity I would wnat one that is able to be sharpened lol. G5 montecs for me, have had great luck with them for several years now.