Larry

If you want to see bigger bucks all you need to do is keep the deer population at about 80% of capacity and keep the buck to doe ratio at about 3 doe’s to every buck and you don’t have to let every small buck walk just most of them. Also some habitat improvement helps. It is that simple. And you don’t need AR’s

if i could only hunt 1 time frame it would be nov 7-15th

how many deer are are killed illegally by a gun its not the weapon its the guy using it that killed the deer

thats not going to happen

yes 2 p&y's in the rain

if your only hunting deer why would you need 80# once the arrow goes though how much more weight do you need. also can you draw straight back after sitting in the cold allday without pointing the arrow at the sky while darwing. I shoot 65# witch is more then I need I have never not have a pass though. :

I would look at Monroe

how do you get more bucks by killing lots of doe's. I may have missed this part of Bio. 101 but don't bucks come form doe's?

:-[ Could QDM be a prime factor in the lower number of deer sightings? We all heard it at the end of deer season on wed sites or in publications from other hunters; I hunted all season and only saw 6 deer all season. Then we start looking for someone or something to blame. We blame the DEC because we think the herd size estimates are wrong, we blame coyotes, to many nuisance permits being given out and even cars. All these are factors and there are more one of the biggest factors is hardly mentioned and that’s “US” myself included. When we all first started to hear about QDM and its management style; we were told if we wanted to see bigger bucks we needed to let small bucks walk, manage does (kill more does) this is not the same as antlerless. We were told the buck to doe ratio was way off and needed to be 1 to 1 this ratio is not correct. The harvesting of doe’s makes scents; to control a population you need to add or subtract females. We were also told that if we killed Does we would see more bucks. I do not think that is necessarily true and I can prove it. When I say doe’s I mean females 1.5 years old and older not antlerless. Because at any time before the deer season ½ to 2/3’s of the antlerless population on a piece of land are fawns. If on your land you have 15 doe’s and 5 bucks (1.5 years and older) and you kill 10 doe’s and no bucks you still only have 5 bucks. What you have done is reduced the number of doe’s by 2/3’s. What you will see are more buck sightings per doe sighting and you will see fewer fawns the next year. Another example is in Allegany County a farmer started a QDM program on his 1700 acres. He went out at night spot lighting to see what kind of deer he had and he saw lots of antlerless deer. For 3 years they took over 40 doe’s a year using DMP’s and DMAP’s. He would let you hunt there but you had to kill doe’s no bucks. They would kill a few big bucks. Then in years 4-6 they started to kill fewer and fewer doe’s by year 6 they killed less than 10 doe’s and no bucks, saw plenty of bucks before the season but killed none. Funny thing started to happen, his neighbors started to kill big bucks. They were not killing off their doe’s so the bucks were moving to where the does are. What I believe he did was not only destroy his doe population he also destroyed the age structure of his doe herd. This is what I believe we are doing under the miss guided concept of killing doe’s gives you more bucks and the myth of the 1 to 1 buck to doe ratio. If anyone can show me how killing doe’s can give you more bucks that’s a trick I would like to see. With a birth rate at 50/50 bucks to doe’s I am not advocating not shooting doe’s; what I am advocating is be careful on how many and where in the age structure you harvest the doe’s from.

in pittsford & mendon access is the problem

anyone read the new Outdoorlife

[glow=red,2,300]say it's not so TED :'( [/glow]

in pa. it's 50yds thats 150 feet

:-X This is a copy of a letter i sent out that's why it's in the form its in. Could QDM be a prime factor in the lower number of deer sightings? We all heard it at the end of deer season on wed sites or in publications from other hunters; I hunted all season and only saw 6 deer all season. Then we start looking for someone or something to blame. We blame the DEC because we think the herd size estimates are wrong, we blame coyotes, to many nuisance permits being given out and even cars. All these are factors and there are more one of the biggest factors is hardly mentioned and that’s “US” myself included. When we all first started to hear about QDM and its management style; we were told if we wanted to see bigger bucks we needed to let small bucks walk, manage does (kill more does) this is not the same as antlerless. We were told the buck to doe ratio was way off and needed to be 1 to 1 this ratio is not correct. The harvesting of doe’s makes scents; to control a population you need to add or subtract females. We were also told that if we killed Does we would see more bucks. I do not think that is necessarily true and I can prove it. When I say doe’s I mean females 1.5 years old and older not antlerless. Because at any time before the deer season ½ to 2/3’s of the antlerless population on a piece of land are fawns. If on your land you have 15 doe’s and 5 bucks (1.5 years and older) and you kill 10 doe’s and no bucks you still only have 5 bucks. What you have done is reduced the number of doe’s by 2/3’s. What you will see are more buck sightings per doe sighting and you will see fewer fawns the next year. Another example is in Allegany County a farmer started a QDM program on his 1700 acres. He went out at night spot lighting to see what kind of deer he had and he saw lots of antlerless deer. For 3 years they took over 40 doe’s a year using DMP’s and DMAP’s. He would let you hunt there but you had to kill doe’s no bucks. They would kill a few big bucks. Then in years 4-6 they started to kill fewer and fewer doe’s by year 6 they killed less than 10 doe’s and no bucks, saw plenty of bucks before the season but killed none. Funny thing started to happen, his neighbors started to kill big bucks. They were not killing off their doe’s so the bucks were moving to where the does are. What I believe he did was not only destroy his doe population he also destroyed the age structure of his doe herd. This is what I believe we are doing under the miss guided concept of killing doe’s gives you more bucks and the myth of the 1 to 1 buck to doe ratio. If anyone can show me how killing doe’s can give you more bucks that’s a trick I would like to see. With a birth rate at 50/50 bucks to doe’s I am not advocating not shooting doe’s; what I am advocating is be careful on how many and where in the age structure you harvest the doe’s from.

I’ve read it. Here’s what I think of Mother Nature she is a cruel bitch that doesn’t care whether you live or die we are all recyclable.

To The Hunter here is the definition of a Cross Bow. This definition is out of the Webster’s Dictionary & Thesaurus copy rite 1999. Cross – Bow: A weapon consisting chiefly of a bow mounted crosswise near the end of a wooden stock. Whether you agree or not with the cross- bow issue you should still call it a cross – bow and not just spout off the NYBH line of propaganda. Let me first state that I am a bow hunter and I have no intention of ever using an X- Bow. That being said I am not totally against X-Bows. The mechanical advantage an X-Bow has over a vertical bow that is true for a Stick bow but not for a Compound bow. The only advantage I can see is you can pre-draw and they are a more stable platform. It will not matter if the Gov. Signs the bill or not after so many days it becomes law. I can’t remember how many days I think it is 90 day unless he veto’s it will become law. That’s how some of the southern zone rifle areas were put in place. If you remember he didn’t sign all the rifle bills.

AR’s in this state are a DEAD issue you would more likely see the AR’s we have go away before you see any new ones. One more thing those who claim they let small bucks walk most of you don’t. You can see it in the buck take the percentage of 1 ½ year old in the take has stay almost the same for the last 20 years there doesn’t seem to be a lot of support for AR’s if there were you would see a reduction in the buck take coming out of the 1 ½ year olds in the take.

i shoot in my back yard

i shoot 30 arrows a day 10 at 20yds 30yds and 40yds

The 444 is awesome on deer I shoot Barnes 225 hp’s they put 1” holes in them shot a 10pt. with it broke both shoulders . the 225’s are not for long range where I hunt 60 yd’s is tops for long rane I use that fextips

i you want to hammer geese find the snow's

Hey guys seeing you live or hunt where the AR zones are has the number of hunters in those WMU’s increased or decreased or stayed the same. Seeing in most of the AR WMU’s you have little or no chance of getting a DMP.

i only crimp handgun and my 444 marlin rounds. don't crimp and seat at the same time seat then crimp. you can crimp rifle rounds if they have a cannelure but i would use a tapper crimp

Here is why there won’t ever be a shorter gun season it’s simple that’s where the money is. Not in the bow or ml season. When all the gun hunters go out and buy cross – bows to hunt the bow season and the bow season becomes the money maker then the gun season will get shorter. Here one thing you could if you think the gun season is to long STAY HOME HALF the gun season

Look weather your for AR’s or not the DEC right now is not going to do anything that will cause a lost of revenue.