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I have used a lot of Sierra's bullets but mostly in my assorted Varmint rifles shooting their thin jacketed match-varmint styles. . For whatever the reason I have alway got my best pin point accuracy with them which is what I am looking for most of all in my Varmint handloads. I confess to never have used the Gamekings so I can not comment on their performance on bigger game but I would bet a good chunk of change that they will be accurate. I think for the most part today's modern jacketed big game bullets from all makers have came a long way in the last 50 years and are much more reliable than they were in the early days. When you find something that really shoots well out of your Deer rifle and you place your shot properly you will have no problem bringing home the venison. Al

A few more beauties! ------------------------------ q: : What is your date of birth? a: : July fifteenth. q: : What year? a: : Every year. -------------------------------------------- q: :could you see him from where you were standing? a: :I could see his head. q: :and where was his head? a: :just above his shoulders. ------------------------------------------ q: :any suggestions as to what prevented this from being a murder trial instead of an attempted murder trial? a: :the victim lived. -------------------------------------------- q: : How old is your son - the one living with you. a: : Thirty-eight or thirty-five, I can't remember which. q: : How long has he lived with you? a: : Forty-five years. --------------------------------------- q: : And where was the location of the accident? a: : Approximately milepost 499. q: : And where is milepost 499? a: : Probably between milepost 498 and 500. --------------------------------------------- q: : Trooper, when you stopped the defendant, were your red and blue lights flashing? a: : Yes. q: : Did the defendant say anything when she got out of her car? a: : Yes, sir. q: : What did she say? a: : What disco am I at? --------------------------------------------- q: : Were you present in court this morning when you were sworn in? ----------------------------------------------- q: : How many times have you committed suicide? a: : Four times. ----------------------------------------- q: : Did he kill you? -------------------------------------------- q: : You don't know what it was and you didn't know what it looked like, but can you describe it? ---------------------------------------------- q: : Have you lived in this town all your life? a: : Not yet. ------------------------------------------------ q: : How far apart were the vehicles at the time of the collision? ------------------------------------------------- q: : You were there until the time you left, is that true? ------------------------------------------- q: : Did you ever stay all night with this man in New York? a: : I refuse to answer that question. q: : Did you ever stay all night with this man in Chicago? a: : I refuse to answer that question. q: : Did you ever stay all night with this man in Miami? a: : No. -------------------------------------------- q: : Doctor, did you say he was shot in the woods? a: : No, I said he was shot in the lumbar region. -------------------------------------------- q: : Were you acquainted with the deceased? a: : Yes sir. q: : Before or after he died? ---------------------------------------------- q: : And you check your radar unit frequently? a: : Officer: "Yes, I do." q: : And was your radar unit functioning correctly at the time you had the plaintiff on radar? a: : Yes, it was malfunctioning correctly. ------------------------------------------- q: : Lawyer: "What happened then? a: : He told me, he says, 'I have to kill you because you can identify me.' q: : Did he kill you? a: : Witness: "No. ------------------------------------------ q: : Now sir, I'm sure you are an intelligent and honest man-- q: : Thank you. If I weren't under oath, I'd return the compliment. ---------------------------------------------- q: : You were not shot in the fracas? a: : No, I was shot midway between the fracas and the navel. ------------------------------------------- q: : What did the tissue samples taken from the victim's vagina show? a: : There were traces of semen. q: : Male semen? a: : That's the only kind I know of. --------------------------------------- q: : So, after the anaesthetic, when you came out of it,what did you observe with respect to your scalp? a: : I didn't see my scalp the whole time I was in the hospital. q: : It was covered? a: : Yes. Bandaged. q: : Then, later on, what did you see? a: : I had a skin graft. My whole buttocks and leg were removed and put on top of my head.

These are from a book called Disorder in the American Courts, and are things people actually said in court , word for word , taken down and now published by court reporters that had the torment of staying calm while these exchanges were actually taking place.ATTORNEY: What was the first thing your husband said to you that morning?WITNESS: He said , 'Where am I , Cathy?'ATTORNEY: And why did that upset you?WITNESS: My name is Susan!____________________________________________ATTORNEY: What gear were you in at the moment of the impact?WITNESS: Gucci sweats and Reeboks.____________________________________________ATTORNEY: Are you sexually active?WITNESS: No , I just lie there.____________________________________________ATTORNEY: This myasthenia gravis , does it affect your memory at all?WITNESS: Yes.ATTORNEY: And in what ways does it affect your memory?WITNESS: I forget..ATTORNEY: You forget? Can you give us an example of something you forgot?___________________________________________ATTORNEY: Do you know if your daughter has ever been involved in voodoo?WITNESS: We both do.ATTORNEY: Voodoo?WITNESS: We do..ATTORNEY: You do?WITNESS: Yes , voodoo.____________________________________________ATTORNEY: Now doctor , isn't it true that when a person dies in his sleep , he doesn't know about it until the next morning?WITNESS: Did you actually pass the bar exam?____________________________________ATTORNEY: The youngest son , the 20-year-old , how old is he?WITNESS: He's 20 , much like your IQ.___________________________________________ATTORNEY: Were you present when your picture was taken?WITNESS: Are you shitting me?_________________________________________ATTORNEY: So the date of conception (of the baby) was August 8th?WITNESS: Yes.ATTORNEY: And what were you doing at that time?WITNESS: Getting laid____________________________________________ATTORNEY: She had three children , right?WITNESS: Yes.ATTORNEY: How many were boys?WITNESS: None.ATTORNEY: Were there any girls?WITNESS: Your Honor , I think I need a different attorney. Can I get a new attorney?____________________________________________ATTORNEY: How was your first marriage terminated?WITNESS: By death..ATTORNEY: And by whose death was it terminated?WITNESS: Take a guess.____________________________________________ATTORNEY: Can you describe the individual?WITNESS: He was about medium height and had a beardATTORNEY: Was this a male or a female?WITNESS: Unless the Circus was in town I'm going with male._____________________________________ATTORNEY: Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a deposition notice which I sent to your attorney?WITNESS: No , this is how I dress when I go to work.______________________________________ATTORNEY: Doctor , how many of your autopsies have you performed on dead people?WITNESS: All of them.. The live ones put up too much of a fight._________________________________________ATTORNEY: ALL your responses MUST be oral , OK? What school did you go to?WITNESS: Oral.._________________________________________ATTORNEY: Do you recall the time that you examined the body?WITNESS: The autopsy started around 8:30 PMATTORNEY: And Mr. Denton was dead at the time?WITNESS: If not , he was by the time I finished.____________________________________________ATTORNEY: Are you qualified to give a urine sample?WITNESS: Are you qualified to ask that question?______________________________________And last:ATTORNEY: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check for a pulse?WITNESS: No.ATTORNEY: Did you check for blood pressure?WITNESS: No.ATTORNEY: Did you check for breathing?WITNESS: No..ATTORNEY: So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when you began the autopsy?WITNESS: No.ATTORNEY: How can you be so sure, Doctor?WITNESS: Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar.ATTORNEY: I see, but could the patient have still been alive, nevertheless?WITNESS: Yes, it is possible that he could have been alive and practicing law.

I am a big fan of the high end Bushnell binoculars, my first high quality binocular was the Bushnell "Custom" compact that the early NASA astronauts took into space, I still use them today and even though they are 50 years old and pretty beat up I can still see well out of them. Being an eyeglass wearer their extreme eye relief gives me a full field of view that few other brands do. Today's Bushnell "Legends" and "Elites" which I have also acquired and use have that same high end quality, eye relief and resolution as the old "Customs" and are a best buy. A pair of 10X42 Elites would be just the right ticket out west and tough to beat at any price. Al

Well I have never heard of any "Air" gun that uses powder. The only thing that comes to mind is the old Gyrojet guns which basically fired a self contained miniature rocket but I would not classify them as an air gun. They were made back in the early sixties I think, a complete failure and have been long obsolete. Al

And sometimes the Turtles eat you.

Short clip of some action of a Lion hunt out west. Al http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d173/Airedale123/th_mountainlionwithhuntinghounds_zps67705bd8.mp4

Here is a link to some loading info you may find useful. http://garandforum.proboards.com/thread/57/reloads-m1-30-06

I have to agree with Buckmaster7600, seems like everyone has a different take and evaluation of felt recoil. The only time I really notice recoil is when shooting from the bench sighting in and testing my handloads performance. If I am firing a lot of rounds out of something that belted me I would use a half full 25 lb bag of lead shot up against my shoulder which reduced recoil to very tolerable levels. I have owned a 338 Win mag in a Sako Finnbear and a 458 Win mag in a Ruger 77 both kicked pretty good but using the lead bag pad I had no problem with load development and sighting them in. When using the 338 on game, one Elk, one Caribou, one Deer and a bunch of Woodchucks just to get familiar and comfortable with the rifle in the field I never noticed the recoil very much. The 458 was one of those deals where I just had to have one to try out and play with, I never killed anything with it but I had a lot of fun. Back when I worked in my buddy's sporting good's store we had a scope mounting service and sighted the gun in for customers. I always dreaded those 6 1/2 pound 12 ga Ithaca model 37 Deerslayers with slugs, they would make you cockeyed firing them from the bench. Al

This is what happens when sportsmen and shooters let this anti lead bullshit get traction, A TOTAL BAN ON TRADITIONAL AMMUNITION!!! The California Fish and Game Commission are implanting the law in three stages: On July 1, 2015, no lead ammo may be used to hunt in state run wildlife areas and ecological reserves. On July 1, 2016, no lead ammunition can be used when hunting with a shotgun for upland game birds, furbearing mammals, and non-game mammals and birds. A total ban on hunting with lead ammo goes into effect on July 1, 2019 The NSSF surveyed California hunters after AB 711 passed and found that nearly 40 percent said they will either have to stop or severely reduce their hunting due to the much higher costs of non-lead ammunition. This goes for 22 rimfire ammo also, probably the most widely used ammo of all. So far the best they come up with for 22 rimfire is a powdered copper X poly pressed bullet that shoots like crap and costs 10.99 for fifty. And “widely available?” Forget that. The Fish and Wildlife Service has an approved list of non-lead ammunition that has less than 40 manufacturers on it. Further, due to local restrictions in densely and highly populated Los Angeles, Oakland, Sacramento and San Francisco, ordering ammo by mail is nearly impossible—if not all together forbidden. The NSSF report says the ban could lead to a loss of $20 million in revenue for the state. Al

Well good for Gordon, if he want to use Barnes bullets I have no problem with that. I will continue to use my Nosler, Sierra, Speer, Hornady and yes I even have quite a few Barnes bullets and I am just as confident as he is when he serves up his special meatballs. When I serve any of my Venison to anyone family included, it is completely safe because it was taken care of properly. Al

Myself and a couple of other guys with an Airedale and two JTRs did some ratting on an old chicken farm. The floor in the barn was dirt and honey combed with rat holes and tunnels. We blocked most of the holes, closed all the doors and then fired up a rat smoker. It was made from an old two stroke string trimmer engine with a long flexible exhaust pipe. We put extra oil in the fuel and when she was running the smoke really boiled out of the exhaust pipe which was shoved down a main rat tunnel. It was not long before the rats came pouring out, mayhem is a description that would be putting the action mildly. Dogs chomping, feet stomping and clubs flailing. Some of those bigger rats actually went on the attack at the dogs and they would do anything to escape including climbing up your legs. I did a pretty good Fay Wray impression when it happened a couple of times with me. Crazy stuff that was exciting and heart pounding and sometimes even scary while it lasted. Al

EspressoBuzz "If I recall the "science" for a long time was doctored by the cigarette companies to show no ill effects from smoking. In fact in the late 40's and early 50's some "doctors" even touted the benefits of smoking.." =========================================== Comparing traditional hunting bullets to cigarettes is not even a remotely comparable analogy. Smokers have casualties by the tens of thousands, diseases like emphysema, lung, throat, mouth cancer, high blood pressure, COPD, heart, stroke etc etc. Regardless what any promoter of smoking would say it is clear to even a moron that smoking can be the cause severe health problems.and death. As for traditional jacketed lead based ammo no one can come up with a single unequivocal proven case of significant lead poisoning on humans who have been eating millions of tons game meat taken with that traditional ammo for well over a century. A "BIG" difference in my opinion. Al

Nice bench setup, nothing more fun and good for honing your shooting skills than a good 22 firearm and a couple of boxes of ammo. The 10/22 is probably the all time favorite 22 rifle and that Mannlicher stock model is a classic. Al

A video from the UK of some Terrier men getting into the Rats at some kind of garbage collection place with some Patterdale Terriers. For the average Joe there is almost zero hunting with firearms and most hunting with dogs is banned but they can still hunt Rats.I have Ratted with Jack Russells and Airedales and the action can be fast and furious. Al

When I watch any of the outdoor shows pertaining to hunting dogs for me it is all about the dogs. I am basically tuned in to watch and enjoy a good well trained gun dog or hound do it's thing. Al

Lets keep rocking and rolling. Absent sound scientific evidence demonstrating a population impact caused by the use of traditional ammunition, there is no justification for restricting or banning its use. With very limited exceptions, such as waterfowl and possibly the California condor – where the evidence of a causal connection to spent ammunition fragments is far from conclusive, there is simply no sound scientific evidence that the use by hunters of traditional ammunition is causing harm to wildlife populations. In the case of raptors, there is a total lack of any scientific evidence of a population impact. In fact, just the opposite is true. Hunters have long used traditional ammunition, yet raptor populations have significantly increased all across North America – a trend that shows no sign of letting up. If the use of traditional ammunition was the threat to raptor populations some make it out to be, these populations would not be soaring as they are. Considering that traditional ammunition accounts for only about 5% of all domestic uses of lead, according to the USGS, it is no surprise that traditional ammunition does not cause harm to animal populations. Benefits of Traditional Ammunition and Threats if a Ban Occurs The excise tax dollars (11 percent) manufacturers pay on the sale of ammunition – the very ammunition some groups choose to demonize – is the primary source of wildlife conservation funding in the United States and the financial backbone of the North American Model of wildlife conservation. The bald eagle’s recovery, a truly great conservation success story, was made possible and funded by hunters using traditional ammunition. In fact, recent statistics from the United States Fish and Wildlife Service show that from 1981 to 2006 the number of breeding pairs of bald eagles in the United States increased 724 percent. And much like the bald eagle, raptor populations throughout the United States are soaring. Needlessly restricting or banning traditional ammunition absent sound science will hurt wildlife conservation efforts as fewer hunters take to the field thereby undercutting financial wildlife management resources.

I have offered many times in these threads and I am sure this will not be the last time a simple effective and very inexpensive way to reduce lead in game meat. When butchering, carefully take your time to remove any and all suspicious meat that may or may not contain metallic fragments and discard it. The amount of lead if any that is left behind will be insignificant to human health. Al

When I am done butchering a Deer the amount of lead left behind if any will be so small that it would be insignificant to human health! Al

I am in the light camp, for clothes and boots I go as light as possible but yet they must have the ability to keep me warm if I want to sit for a long period of time. For me a good pair of lightweight binoculars is my most important tool. Before I make any move I will thoroughly scan the area I am heading into so I will not walking into anything and get busted, like grampy said move slow and sneaky. It is almost always during one of those glassing sessions that I spot game. Al

Ahhh "Running the dogs" I can remember my Dad taking me along when I was a little kid to run his Beagles. He would put me on his shoulders when crossing streams and going through high brush. great memories and it sure planted the seeds and got me hooked on hunting with dogs at an early age. Al

Back in the late seventies I purchased a Browning BAR in 270 Win, it was a very high quality rifle, a rifle that when you look it over just can not help to admire. I mounted a 2X7 Leupold on her and she would shoot very tight groups with 130 gr Winchester factory stuff of the day. If I remember right all the parts of that rifle were made in Belgium and the assembly took place in Portugal. Back in those days I was a wheeler and dealer and I traded the BAR for something I liked better. I just for the most part prefer bolt actions. I get the family connection, I have several of my Dad's rifles and in recent years I have been hunting with them quite a bit, there something special when I take game with those rifles. Al

Can you give an exact number of Eagle deaths per year that can be positively linked to eating lead bullets from a gutpile that will stand up in a court of law? Lets put things into some kind of perspective There are over a million car deer collisions a year causing around 200 human deaths along with thousands of serious injuries and millions and millions and million of dollars in damage. It is estimated there are one million assorted animals killed on America's roads "every single day." Through the course of farming, the tilling of land and mechanized harvesting of crops kill 10s of millions of animals every year. Even the mowing of lawns kills millions of small animals. Those are some pretty sobering and REAL numbers and a REAL problem for animals but it will surely continue because lawns will be still be mowed, farmers will till their land and harvest crops and there will be more and vehicles added to our highways every year and the carnage will go on. But these animals are not Eagles are they, just lowly Deer, Dogs, Cats, Fox, Coons, Coyotes, Bears, Rabbits Squirrels, Possums Skunks, Rats, Mice, assorted small Birds, Reptiles and Bugs etc etc. This Eagle-traditional ammo debate the perfect example of making Mount Everest out of a mole hill. Al

There will be no lead added to anyone's diet if game meat is butchered properly and care is taken to remove any metal bullet fragments from around the wound channel. ANY bloodshot meat suspected of contamination should be discarded. Perceived problem SOLVED! Al

When I tried copper bullets I ran into the same problems with plating the bore. If I just sighted in and used them for hunting they would be OK. But in addition to hunting I am a reloader and a shooter, I burn ammo in pretty large quantities in my guns. Between the bore scrubbing and those solvents it was a little much for me in addition to the substantially higher prices. Al