Culvercreek hunt club

Eagle, How much land are you using to reference for the club you belong to? I think it is kind of tough to apply any of the concepts you are talking about for guys that hunt small parcels....state land or even land they oonly have permission to hunt and don't own.

I guess what I don'[t get with any opposition here is te fact that any of these kids could be out with a gun at that point ....the way the reg's are right now. Back when I was 12 Dad skipped bow season to take me small game hunting anyway...so there we were walking the woods for squirrels, rabbits and grouse in October and early November. I don't really se the difference in that or them with their parents with a bow in hand. As far as "what if the parent doesn't adequately supervise them with the bow".....they probably aren't doing it right with a gun then. If that argument is actually valid ....should we raise the age for their gun hinting?...just askin...lol

No different than they do now for muzzleloader

Open bow a week earlier and put it between bow and gun.....or an october first bow with two weeks of bow/crossbow before gun

I didn't know it was this weekend...I will be now...What day are you going?

I have been too busy shoveling snow to get the rest of my reloading tools together to get started...lol.

"In addition, one individual shot himself in the foot for the second time in recent years." You have to be kidding me.....not to make light of this but maybe Darwins was really on to something with his Natural Selection view. Unbelievable!!

I travel quite a bit for work and it is usually by air. I usually fly out very early and get back very late. On the rare occassion I take a daytime flight I am always amazed at the amount of land that the deer really have to run in. I usually fly south or east out of Rochester and the tracts may be broken up by ownership but the available habitat is crazy big...and that doesn't even consider the Daks. There are old and big ones out there. I firmly believe there are new state record bucks out there every year...just if someone is going to find them or not.

I use the balls just like an eggplant in parmasian

Well now I am really hingry...lol. How about puffballs? anyone eat those?

I think it was the late 90's out her in ROchester....2 feet of snow last week in March...followed by another 2 feet a couple days later

God bless him...what a buck and an even better story

as long as all the bills and cost go with her...I might be...LOL

I burst right out loud laughing when my buddy sent me that....I needed that today

OK...I have been wonder on this age structure and buck to doe ratio thing...... If it was possible to hit this one to one ratio I hear about......is the fighting over any available doe and having to travel a lot to find one more stressful on a buck or in a population with more does----(say 10 to 1) is the a prolonged rut more stressful?

A chicken farmer went into a local tavern and took a seat at the bar next to a woman patron and orders a glass of champagne. The woman perks up and says, "How about that? I just ordered a glass of champagne, too!" He turned to her and said, "What a coincidence. This is a special day for me, I'm celebrating." "This is a special day for me, too, and I'm also celebrating!," says the woman. "What a coincidence," says the man. They clinked glasses and he asked, "What are you celebrating?" "My husband and I have been trying to have a child. Today, my gynecologist told me I'm pregnant!" "What a coincidence," says the man. "I'm a chicken farmer and my last batch of hens were infertile, but today they're finally fertile." "That's great!" says the woman, "How did your chickens become fertile?" "I switched cocks," he replied. "What a coincidence," she said.

Would you?

So now you exactly understand my position. I do not need to roll over and play dead to crossbow intrusion....I will oppose it. If it ever passes....so be it. I won't use one, and I will never consider a crossbow toter to be a bowhunter. I understood what you said before. I also agree with NYA in that those issues you listed are not what most consider fair chase (aside from B&C and P&Y dancing around the bait issue). I would really like to see a seperate category for the crossbow in one of these organizations...if they don't track it already. (I apologize if they do...I don't follow the books much) As far as a crossbow toter being a bowhunter....really doesn't bother me how any of us are categorized...I would be happy with us all being hunters...legal and ethical...and as many of us as we can get in the woods

Arrow, if they took a week out of bow and a week out of gun and started a crosbow only season....not other implements.....would you participate?

So if the majority wanted baiting legalized...you OK with that? How about poison pods? Or jacklighting? I don't agree with those items and would oppose them. If they were passed...so be it. It would have zero effect on my hunting because I still have the choice of how I hunt.

I really wasn't cally you or any of the others selfish, Arrow. I was just stating that any reason that I have read for opposing it was based on a personal principles and that kind of bothers me when those are applied to the majority. When the majority of hunters seem to support this and there is still such vocal opposition (which is always your right), it does make me wonder about the motive. I am not assigning any to you.....Just leaves me wondering what they really are.

Since it is realy only my father, may daughter and myself tat eat it.....I don't hunt for food.....I hunt...the bounty is a bonus and it sure feeds the guys well at camp and keeps the grocery bil down.

Sseems like enough posturing and name calling on both sides to go around. The biggest part of the opposition that bothers me....It seems as though they are dancing around why they are not for inclusion. There are comments about principles and the formal definition of what a bow is. I can respect both of those as a pesonnal choice. I find it disturbing that because of that choice the folks in opposition would limit others. (I know someone will be going into the "might as well include guns in bow" comment but that isn't what I mean). I can not speak for others but it leaves me with the thought that iit is a felling, by those opposed, that the inclusion will effect their experience in some way. Whether it is more hunters afield, shooting "my" deer or a perception of higher poaching. Personally I can't see how my neighbor using one would effect my bow hunting season. I believe that the equipment is similiar enough to be considered in the same season, but that is just my belief.

To your question NYA...I wouldn't buy one for a combined season with the current bow season. I prefer my compound. If they had a different season where only a crossbow was the legal implement, I probably would.

Grow, I have to say that I hunt down by you a lot and luckily we have none of the issues you mention...besides the ocassional trespasser. Violaters need to be prosecuted and the penalties made very stiff. I just wonder with all that is going on around you now and the people doing it with bows to guns......do you really think there would be any increase in that type of activity if crossbows were included in bow? Seems to me if these trolls are going to do it ilegal is really doesn't make a difference if there is a season or not. What is their incentative to use a legal implement to committ an illegal act? I don't know if I made any sense with that, but maybe