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Here's something interesting...something to think about...I'm on the Kindle so I can't copy and paste. But it's easy to look up on the QDM site. Research...when there are to many doe and a skewed buck to doe ratio..doe produce fewer fawns. 8N...more triplets and twins being born...yet We Are suppose to be over run with doe,why are we seeing more multiple births? Larger bodied deer? Voluntary AR's s...the DEC numbers and they stated this, are showing to be working...yet still the drive by the fringe pushing mandatory. One would question the personal reasons of each individual pushing this. Herd Health..again ,let's not deflect here, where's the evidence of the poor health? Now don't go to the winters with long deep freeze weeks and extremely deep snow....Herd health is a year around thing. Poor health,lower births, deformities, disease.... BTW...Insurance companies are showing a significant decrease in deer-car collisions. So you AR guys (mandatory) need to come up with a better shtick, beyond insults and innuendo' s to convince me your push isn't born of frustration and greed.

Seriously...what is your cholesterol levels...LOL

HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Enjoy the day and have a great year...

gusts are now 50 mph....looks like I'll hold off...

I'm sitting here showered and ready to go....but after seeing and clearing what I did yesterday..thinking twice. Winds are near 20 with gusts 35-40 I just can't see risking it. Widow makers every where and several big trees down. One 100ft 24" diameter beech not far from a trail...can't out run sounds in the dark.

Sorry to disappoint but I'll be kind in this response...you are wrong gjs4. Do you know why it's hard to teach "Old dogs New tricks"? Because they have grown old enough to see through the trickery,knowing there will still be a treat for them anyways.

Eddie if I'm to invoke the name of God for anything ...it's to say God Bless you sir for living life to the fullest in the time life allows

Out of likes LOL...

Who are you kidding in 28 days they are still chasing the fawn coming in,the doe that came in late. I'm not spinning anything..it's fact the more mature buck in the area the worse shape the buck are in by Dec. As long as the buck have high testosterone levels they will search and they will fight..whether doe come in or not. We don't even have bucks rubbing trees in large numbers here until now. I have mentioned this several times over the years. NATURAL SELECTION...OMG how far from natural selection can your personal need for bigger bucks be. Spinning .......you hide be hind herd health, perhaps I've missed it...where are the deformities,devastating diseases,low fawning rates,low body weights...What have I missed in your concerns over herd health.

When I speak of sanctuaries here..They are doe sanctuaries as well as buck..these are Do not shoot doe properties ...I didn't take what you said as calling me out ...my statement was an example of how assumptions are made about certain areas. Some assume that the DEC is handing out doe tags like candy, thus all the doe are being shot...that's not the case...look at Eddie's season...listen to Culvert...look at the harvest threads. Not because we want or are shooting small buck...but because doe are smarter,they do not have the biological imperative to seek their mate. BTW speaking of assumptions...No...... anyone that has tasted the difference between an older class buck and a younger one..Well if they are like me..you'd be surprised how many are like me...they'll gladly to a a good younger buck over the older one...Do you think that every guy out my way that has spotted the bucks I have, hold off for just those few Deer knowing they are here? If that were the case,especially with the amount of cams in everyone's woods...you'd rarely hear a shot opening weekend or the next 3 weeks for that matter. They just want a good buck and some doe...like me not everyone has a need for a head on their wall. Ask me if I'd pass the bigger deer if two appeared..Yes I've chosen a 8 over a 10, a 7 over a monster 8... best shot and a mercy...Mr B Has past some huge deer over the years for various reasons..I know people that go out but stopped shooting because they got their wall hanger...to be honest not a huge deer...but their trophy.Some now hunt with cameras,each photo being a trophy in it's own right...these threads end in me feeling sad for some hunters...

Your right and have I posted one doe shot?...one doe on cam pictures in day light?...one of the highest deer hunter densities. One of the highest doe (supposedly) densities and not more than one shot a day close by or miles away since the first 4 days. Went to sell my hide and they were all disgusted...hardly a deer brought in compared to other years and they personally weren't seeing them (entire family hunts....daughters sons, sons and daughter in-laws)...on hundreds of acres of farm lands. I've seen them, I've passed small ones but the doe and big buck have been on sanctuary properties...I know where they are...and now that it's safe will go for them. Tags,plots,location does not always guarantee success..That doe from the other day...was bedded in a 6ft deep culvert ditch at 3 in the afternoon... BTW I never posted close to the bigger bucks that are in this area...VOLUNTEER AR's and a couple of no doe shooting properties... the most shooting ,other than behind our house was in the only local QDM farm. People here refuse to move on their property during season...it pushes deer to other properties...so they bed all day surrounded by lush natural browse...The DEC can give me 50 tags...If I don't see them in legal light ,if they are on no doe hunting properties,sanctuaries...BTW that's not just a word I use...it's signs put up by land owners... They may have well issued me toilet paper...it would feel better...

That could be said to the guys pushing for AR's..there is State land in all the areas where big buck are doing well in NYS...go find them...How many time have you heard that State land isn't being hunted nearly as hard as some believe and there have been some fine state land bucks shown on many sites

Here's a question I would like answered...How many of you saw buck this year with all or part of their racks broken off in bow season? Now why ask that question? Because of herd health...How healthy is it to have a herd where the breeding competition puts the best of the breeders in fight to near death competitions. When you see these bucks walking around with only one side or many broken tines,ever ask yourself just how much power it takes to do that. What it does to deplete their energy reserves . This on top of the rigors of chasing and breeding doe. Then mind you, the possibility of severe weather setting in, in the near future with little chance of rebuilding those reserves. I saw 3 half rack 8's and several broken up younger buck..even my little guy had broken tines...Now if you'd like, hit those questions with this little topping...mortal wounds and infections how many go down from those before the possibility of starvation.... See the utopia that the AR's guys are begging for has these little side effects... You nearly never hear them mention these things...just something to think about...

I'm sorry you need to tell me what doe tags you were referring to that anyone can hunt anywhere in the state other than either or..Because If I'm making and assumption the the guys here, other than your self where talking about DMP's and not either or tags than show me this. I tell you I was wrong.

WTH...trespassing,shooting after hours,and I'm sorry,were those officers stupid enough to go in without orange at that hour? I sure the heck hope not...None of this was accidental That officer was shot during an illegal activity!!!!!! 2nd degree assult?! That is not only an insult and slap to the victim, his family,and fellow officers,but to all law abiding hunters and land owners...AGAIN THE BALL HAS BEEN DROPPED!

A difference between either or tags and the DMP that most if not all are referring to.

Nothing makes or breaks a hunter. That is a projected perception imposed by others. Mr B is a good hunter and hasn't shot a deer in I think 15 yrs...He could have every single year,just doesn't,he goes out and puts in full days at times...watches them walk. This is his reality of hunting. When he finally crosses paths with "That" deer he will shoot it. In the mean time he's taken coyotes and enjoying the time all hunters do on stand. This differing from me...I'm a crazed preparer,sign checker,analyzer. I shoot deer. That really doesn't make me a better hunter,just different than some.

You have 4 H, Scouts that all require some sort of public service...having these kids with there leaders manning check in stations seems to me as a no brainer for all involved. It teaches about food harvests,record keeping,dealing with the public,assisting your county and state(public Service),the DEC would only need one man on scene to do official things and minimal training to detect irregularities on tags. Like units and counties God forbid forgetting to cut out the right month,etc.,etc.

Taking out a mature doe could also give you that extra 30 #'s of meat...perhaps the attitude change should switch...perhaps if hunters started making a bigger deal out of taking a mature doe...more doe and less buck would be taken. Maybe let the talk go to the challenge of taking a deer who's instinct to survive isn't over powered by the instinct to breed. Leaving it more vulnerable to roaming and day light activity..maybe putting the youth hunt experience as one of a great successful hunt being one of a great doe,with a bonus if a buck walks by. Have forums light up with 50 likes on a Doe harvests not 20...get the point? There are layers of attitude changes that could happen to make everyone happy...One of limiting another's chance at a deer shouldn't be the main change sault.

It was another calm wonderful night for feeding and breeding...the rain never came here as predicted ,but temps are rising...good day for a afternoon hunt. The temps are dropping for a great week ahead..if wind cooperate....

Have you buck blinder people forgotten something? NYS DEC has been in a frenzy to lower the deer herd. Now perhaps I'm missing something this year...but have you looked at just the posts on line? I'm not seeing a big deer take thus far. That includes bow...I'm also not seeing the doe #'s. What I do see is guys, me included taking smaller buck because they didn't see the doe... Not that doe aren't there...but they are hiding...plenty of food and lots of cover. The smaller buck...most all of them would have made the AR cut anyways...and even some 4's would have made inside spread. You talk about herd balance and health ,forest regeneration,yet in the same breath lay out ways to shoot less deer. Around and around and around every single year...Brings to mind that crazy exercise woman of the 80's screaming..." STOP THE INSANITY! " BTW..If any of you wanting a shorter season thinks that won't have the DEC putting a push on farmers getting nuisance tags and the DEC increasing those (out of season) tags,your kidding only your self.

OK ,I'll ask...Why the curiosity?

It was your own words that accused you. I did not makeup those quotes they are here for all to read. Now perhaps we differ on sky lined deer..but it was you that said, you knew he was just 20 yards from disappearing down hill and out of sight. To me you ski lined him. For whether you could see the side of the next hill or not. You admitted there was a drop off just beyond him that he would disappear out of sight in. Thus you should have known anything could have just as well popped up behind him with out you seeing it...That is sky lining to me in hill country....Perhaps you need to go back over your own words...then again, look up 2 Corinthians 11:19 (KJV) for I'm done with this. BTW... please do the Christian thing and save your prayers for more worthy things. I do not need to fill a buck or doe tag that bad. There a difference between a natural occurring frustration over things to vent and laugh about..Which I do, thus the many Lol's I use. Over a need to fill a tag requiring prayer. When I need guidance I'll ask the spirit of my grandfather to help steady my aim and guide my decisions,not steer my arrows and bullets. Let God worry about the important stuff.

Wonder if he was wearing orange..so inappropriate..but first thought...I hope he makes a full recovery..What a rough season!