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Don't leave now. Whats an operating rod?

Whatever they can google to make it look like they know anything ? Errr.....what do you mean the bullets are the same.......one is a 30-06 and the other 308. how could they possibly shoot the same caliber?

Still surrounded by mysticism and unknown numbers of deaths in places. But Leopards especially are killed frequent in retaliation, by some estimates about one a day in India. Bet that's going to leave a mark.....

Seen this a few days ago. Been re reading a few Corbett books of late (hunted man eaters post WW1 in India).....a 100 years later and Tiger and Leopard still claim a few folks every year.

Looks like Missouri will join PA and Kentucky as another small resident herd state with a season...... MDC announces plan for Missouri elk hunting Limited season for Missouri residents could start as soon as 2020 if plan criteria are met. This image of a bull elk was taken at Peck Ranch Conservation Area in the Missouri Ozarks. MDC is proposing the framework for a limited elk hunting season and is asking for public comments at short.mdc.mo.gov/Z49. JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. – The Missouri Department of Conservation (MDC) shared its initial plan for a limited elk-hunting season with the Missouri Conservation Commission at the Commission’s public meeting June 28 at MDC headquarters in Jefferson City. The Commission gave its initial approval of the proposed plan, and MDC is asking for public comments. According to MDC Elk and Deer Biologist Aaron Hildreth, who presented the elk-hunting plan at the meeting, MDC will begin offering a limited season for hunting elk once the herd of about 175 animals reaches a minimum of 200 with an annual herd growth rate of at least 10 percent and a herd ratio of at least four cow elk for every bull elk. According to MDC research, the herd will likely reach 200 animals by 2020. With that in mind, MDC has designated a nine-day archery season for elk running Oct. 17-25, 2020, and a nine-day firearms season for elk running Dec. 12-20, 2020. Hildreth noted that the number of permits for a possible 2020 hunt has yet to be determined. “If the elk population is below desired numbers in early 2020, the Conservation Commission may choose to not open the online application process or issue any permits for a fall 2020 hunt,” he explained. “We will then focus on 2021.” MDC hopes to eventually reach a target population of 500 animals and will use hunting to manage herd size and location. Elk are a native species in Missouri but were hunted to extinction in the state through unregulated market hunting during the late 1800s. MDC worked with the Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife Resources to reintroduce the native species by capturing and transporting wild elk from Kentucky to a remote area of the Missouri Ozarks. The reintroduction effort took place in 2011, 2012, and 2013 with most of the 108 relocated animals being cow elk with some calves and immature bulls. Their numbers have grown, and their range has expanded in recent years to cover portions of Carter, Reynolds, and Shannon counties. The area consists of nearly 80 percent public land interspersed with tracts of private property. Hunting Framework Under MDC’s framework, elk hunting would be limited to Missouri residents at least 11 years of age who have their hunter-education certification or are exempt from hunter education by age (born before Jan. 1, 1967). Hunting permits would be assigned through a random lottery of all applicants. MDC will require a $10 application fee to be eligible for the limited hunt with a $50 permit fee for those selected through the lottery. MDC will limit the random lottery to one application per-person, per-year with a 10-year “sit-out” period for those drawn for a permit before they may apply again. The hunting zone will be limited to Carter, Reynolds, and Shannon counties, but will exclude the special refuge portion of Peck Ranch Conservation Area where elk were initially reintroduced. “Permits issued each year will be valid for a nine-day archery season beginning the third Saturday in October and a nine-day firearms season beginning the second Saturday in December,” Hildreth explained. He added that the timing of the seasons was designed to avoid the peak of elk breeding during late September and early October and to avoid the elk season coinciding with portions of the firearms deer season. “The allowed hunting methods for each season will be the same as for deer hunting,” Hildreth said. “The permits will allow for the harvest of one bull elk with at least one antler being greater than six inches in length. Successful hunters must Telecheck their harvested elk, like for deer.” Local Landowners Included According to MDC, local landowners have been supportive of the reintroduction of elk to the area and local communities have benefited from an increase in tourism related to elk. MDC will reserve at least one permit from the annual random lottery for resident landowners with at least 20 acres within a specified boundary within Carter, Reynolds, and Shannon counties. The special landowner permits will be nontransferable and may only be filled on the landowner’s property. “Qualifying landowners will not be required to pay the $10 application fee but will still pay a $50 permit fee if selected,” Hildreth said. “If selected, they will not be required to wait 10 years before again applying for the landowner permit. Qualifying landowners may apply once each year for a regular hunting permit and for a special landowner permit but may receive only one permit annually.” Public Comments and Next Steps MDC held several public meetings in communities around the elk restoration zone last December where staff discussed possible elk-hunting details. MDC also offered a statewide online comment period. As part of the rulemaking process, MDC is now again asking for public comment on the proposed elk-hunting framework through Aug. 31 at short.mdc.mo.gov/Z49. Refer to the following specific rules open for comment. PERMITS: 3 CSR 10-5.700 Resident Antlered Elk Hunting Permit. This rule establishes a permit for residents to take an antlered elk in open counties during the elk hunting season. 3 CSR 10-5.705 Resident Landowner Antlered Elk Hunting Permit. This rule establishes a permit for resident landowners to take an antlered elk on their property within the resident landowner permit zone during the elk hunting season. SEASON SPECIFICS: 3 CSR 10-7.700 Elk Hunting Seasons: General Provisions. This rule establishes general provisions for hunting elk. 3 CSR 10-7.705 Elk: Hunting Season. This rule establishes seasons, limits, and provisions for hunting elk. 3 CSR 10-7.710 Elk: Landowner Privileges. This rule establishes provisions for resident landowners to hunt elk on their property within the resident landowner permit zone during the elk hunting season. HUNTING ON PUBLIC LAND: 3 CSR 10-7.715 Elk: Regulations for Department Areas. This rule incorporates elk hunting on department areas in Chapter 7. 3 CSR 10-11.190 Elk Hunting. This rule establishes provisions for elk hunting on department areas. The Commission will consider input received during this public comment period and make a final decision to move forward, modify, or withdraw the proposed framework during its Oct. 11 meeting. If the framework is approved, MDC staff will then compile and review biological data on herd size, growth, and structure to determine if the inaugural hunt will occur in 2020. If the data supports a hunt for 2020, MDC staff will then present their recommendations on permit numbers to MDC’s Regulations Committee and Conservation Commission early next year. MDC staff will continue to use biological data on herd size, growth, and structure in future years to determine the number of permits issued for each season. Learn more about MDC elk research at short.mdc.mo.gov/ZYo Learn more about elk restoration in Missouri at short.mdc.mo.gov/ZYJ Want to see Missouri elk? MDC offers self-guided driving tours through parts of the elk restoration zone in the Missouri Ozarks. Learn more at short.mdc.mo.gov/ZY3

For those looking along....bull is circled. Looks like the back of a young calf where the arrow is pointing. They are light brown when little. Thats a hell of a bull for anywhere in Africa, and since extensive breeding programs became popular to re-introduce Buffalo many places in SA the results are paying off. 20 years ago quality was often so so with young animals, but I'm really impressed what I've seen from SA last couple years. Would you agree with that Ryno?

Hope hes spreading his genes on that property. Good stuff.

Can't see if hes hard....but that bull on the far right got some good headgear.

“Half the fun of the travel is the esthetic of lostness.” Ray Bradbury.

I seen a guy carrying a 3x5 plastic folding table by Slant Rock on the way to spend the night and go over Haystack in the ADKs a few years ago. So I guess he'd pick this for a survival situation too. Ya got me there. Way better ways to make fire in an emergency situation....but plenty of stupid out there that wants to carry a liquid I guess. (I'm not talking about camping, to me that's not the thread title) That bottle full weighs over a pound. I know I have 2 and have had them full; more like over 17 ounces...its like carrying 2 bricks. I hate the stove and them bottles. The dude with the table didn't look all that happy either come to think of it. LOL

When a survival equipment list comes to mind compact and light is my thought, this wouldn't even make my backpacking list unless at extreme altitude or temperature (when a canister stove starts to have issues). I'd have room to spare inside that with all of a kit. Whos gonna carry that full of fuel even in the ADK's unless actually using it for primary fuel source?

I never read Capstick til after a couple trips to southern Africa, he spins a good yarn and is a fun read. But for more realistic and true stories of contemporary hunting I'd suggest..... Buzz Charltons new book; his hunting how to videos are outstanding also. Wayne Grants "Into the Thorns". Ian Nyschens (pronounced like 'nations') "Months of the Sun" Richard Harland's "the Hunting Imperative". Any articles and You Tube interviews of the late Don Heath (also known as "Ganyana", ie 'wild dog') "Safari Press" is a good resource to find books and dvds.https://www.safaripress.com/

Check out Packit Gourmet. I do cookin bag meals made myself by adding boiling water into a food safe bag that sits in an insulated koozie to cook. A nice way to get away from Mountain House high sodium meals. https://www.packitgourmet.com/View-All-Gear.html HAppen to like their Ramen Rescue.... https://www.packitgourmet.com/ramen-rescue-chicken.html

For those with connection in the house building industry......a length of typar/tyvek house wrap from a 9' roll can be an excellent light weight, waterproof option for a survival or overnight situation. Light, durable, and very packable option. I use a piece to field quarter and keep clean. With some para cord acting as a ridge it can make a quick easy fly tent I have used to wait out a rain storm. At least one member here other than me carries a piece. I put some grommets in doubled over corners in one that work well.

You can still get 35 mm film cans.... If you can't get a fire going with vaseline and cotton balls, just accept your fate.....and write a note like Hatchet Jack. If one wants to start a fire or have a fuel source small enough to boil a couple cups of water in a convenient package look into Esbit tablets and one can make or buy their pocket folding stove (I've used these to make freeze dried meals, they last indefinite). Esbit is cheap and easy a bit smaller and lighter package with a Ti cup then a canister stove. Small cans of sterno can be had cheap in dollar type stores for a longer/ larger burn cycle, for a longer stay or situation. UCO candles are a long burning type wax, and "better" then the type you may find in tea or standard table candles. Their lantern is a very good piece of kit and easy to use, burn clean, store, and provides a surprising amount of light on a long burn time. All these can be had at camping suppliers... Campmor in Northern Jersey is a good source.

We are getting old my friend.......spring 2011.

Never see any love for Santoras from the WNY folks here; but they have been around forever.

Good day on the water!

Interesting read here. NZ gov't has passed laws banning semi auto weapons and will be buying back guns from owners. There were a few Australians who painted junk guns to get a better price for them when they had their buy back years ago. There is also talk of banning anything above a 300 win mag I read in another article. Geeze most of what I hunt with would be banned if that was the case here. LOL https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/default/files/publications/prohibited-firearms_-and-parts-buy-back-price-list.pdf current exchange about $1 US= $1.50NZ

Same here, applied for 20+ years and gave up. And same with actually knowing someone who was successful in getting a tag. But my luck in drawing anything anywhere is horrible; point creep out west has made those years of applying useless too. Good luck with hunt! Seen Maine moose several times, gonna be fun.

Ya think someone would make a hitch that'd do that.... Oh, never mind, someone may already have one. (although I put a work trailer in some pretty dang small spaces, most folks think we hand roll it there)

check out this brute....The Anderson Male. Wacked the Warthog for dinner and thinks nothing of cleaning his paws like nothing happened to him; wait til' he turns his head in the video. Biggest male in the Sabi Sands. Easy 180lb cat (most WAY over estimate real cat weight) he'd top 210 lbs after a full meal.

Theres no need to limit yourself to 50 yds if you're thinking "energy" expansion etc, a 223 is more than capable of taking deer at distance. Your bullet choice is excellent, all you need to think about is shot placement and accuracy. Culled a significant amount of deer with a 223 without a loss. Personally I'd pick the upper end of bullet weight for caliber, thats not always the way TSX are recommended (often slightly downsizing typical weight for caliber)

This is crappy technical science too. Poison is when a substance is toxic when ingested, like a dog drinking anti freeze. Venomous is a toxin delivered by bite or sting, ie a snake bite. Who fact checked that page?

More interesting most jump to the conclusion its venomous, and as "conservationists" have to kill it.