nyantler

Love it...

I hope to get more info tonight... but yes.. that is a bruiser of an 8-point.. i like the big 8's too.. the only thing I like better is a 6 that scores better than 100

Yeah that buck is pushin' 150+.. that's huge for an 8-point!!

I know who the hunter is but haven't nailed him down for the details yet.. Hoping he will get in touch with me soon.

Big 8-point taken in Madison County yesterday...

I understand all that.. my point is that those descriptive research studies were not being use, especially here in NY for any management efforts.. and although they are biology and may be the foundation of todays research.. they were not related to management and were just as you said descriptive.. important yes if you were looking to know about deer anatomy and characteristics... but had nothing to do with managing herds for ratio or populations.. etc.... that kind of research didn't exist until about the 1980's.. which was my point. About the 1980's is when ratios and population problems started to really be addressed.. the initials dmps were issued as a means to reduce doe populations to bring highly skewed ratios closer together which inherently would bring total populations down... I will agree that there were no attempts to increase buck age structure, but dmps started as a mean to reduce the near 20:1 ratios that were being seen in many parts of the state.

If you had actually read any of the studies that you quote... they were simple anatomical biological informations... not related to any studies of herd health, population control vs ratios, buck age structures relationship to fawn mortality, deer body weights, I can keep going.. these are the things related to hunting and utilizing hunting as a conservation tool to achieve optimum herd stabilty.. none of these types of studies were done prior to the 1980's.... You can find a million books telling you how antlers grow, what type of glands deer have, how to age by tooth wear, gestation time, so on and so forth... fun facts yes... but not related to how deer actually function as a herd or how how age structure affects herd stabilty... stuff that really matters as related to hunting and conservation... it didn't exsist except in anticdotal form from hunter observations which turned out to be entirely wrong. I have some of the books by the biologists you have cited and they are currently being used as kindling for my fireplace. Yes they were good as a foundation maybe for modern studies of how deer actually tick... but by the 80's we already knew how antlers grow and that deer had an orbital gland... what we didn't know was the stuff that affected how to move foward with responsible conservation... hence the need for population control because of the lack of anyone knowing that you couldn't manage a deer herd without proper doe management.. that took some 80 years for anyone to figure out... especially here in NY.. NY messed up the ratios and age structure so badly from their lack of knowledge that 100 years later it's still messed up... the acceptance of AR's and doe population control whether the DEC admits it or not is proof of an attempt to correct what they know to be a problem here in NY in the deer herds.

OMG that would cause a meltdown!!

I agree there are "some"... but from my experience that's how I see things in general... hunters should just be glad to be in the woods enjoying something they love... there are far worse things happening in peoples lives than a youngster hunting with a gun on the same day as a bowhunter.

Exactly..

Personally there is only one thing that has ever ruined a day of hunting for me.. and that is.. not being able to go hunting that day. Again I'd like to point out the selfishness I see from many hunters... anything that interrupts "their" hunting has suddenly ruined hunting for everyone and that thing should somehow be changed to fit "them" and "their " personal hunting choice... and just from personal observation the most complaints seem to come from bowhunters.. and I would venture to say that they are the single group that lobbies hardest against their fellow hunters... ie.. youth hunt, crossbow, late muzzleloader etc. of which they personally tried to keep from happening. If they had their way bowhunting would be the only hunting from Oct. to Dec.

Nuisance permits are for crop damage that involves a business were income is being threatened.. I doubt very much that you can get a permit for damage done to a crop planted for the purpose of attracting the animal that is the niusance... kind of defeats the purpose of the permit.

If you catch the thieves you shoud be able to go to their house and take something they really love.. and see how they like it... well anything but their wife.. that might not be a punishment for the guy but a blessing instead..lol

Yeah I wouldn't wander to far from that stand anymore..lol nice buck

I hunted north all weekend and didn't see a soul... After reading this a week ago I was expecting armagheddon the way some guys were talking... surrounded by a bunch of little rug rats... dressed like pumpkins... having to duck around every corner to escape the hail of bullets ... I saw a bunch of kids fishing though on my way home.. I hope they weren't bothering any bowhunters...

NIAGARA FALLS!!!! Slowly we turn.. step by step.. inch by inch.. an old Three Stooges skit... I spent four of the best years of my life in Niagara Falls @ Niagara University

Great Buck.. love to have the story for my site...

That is a Dandy!

Good for you John.. sometimes an exciting hunt just doesn't end with a kill.. but still exciting just the same! Always good to know there is a good buck in the area to hunt. Good Luck and of course call me when you get that bad boy.

There wouldn't be any trail cams here.. and it isn't really near any real road.. my truck was parked back in a ways of the road... but yes it was fun.. It is so interesting how unpredictible whitetails can be sometimes... just when you think you have them pegged.. you don't!

Haha... come on fellas you should know these pics get emailed everywhere... and always with the caption "sent to me by a friend of a friend of a friend that might have taken this on his trailcam in a county near you"..LOL

Yeah there is no reason to balance the buck ages... that is a good example of a more balanced age structure.. great video Sam!!

It isn't so much about planting legally... its more about hunting over those legal plantings that they can regulate... the plants are yours the deer are not.. I'm not saying they sould regulate hunting over food plots.. just saying it's perfectly within their rights.. it is your right to grow the plots and their right to keep you from killing the publics deer over them if they deem necessary. I don't think that will happen anytime soon so I wouldn't frett about it.

Yeah I kind of thought about that... but I was assuming that most harnesses aren't waste harnesses anymore... but you're right.. I think I'd rather take my chances from the fall than from hanging by my waste 15-20 feet off the ground.. especially since cutting the harness would probably mean the same fall from 15-20 ft just a bit later..lol

The camera flash part was the most surprising to me.. she flinched just like they do when they hear the sound of the bow.. her belly went right to the ground.. normally you'd think that would be the end of it.. I was dumbfounded when she just stood back up and kept staring...