nyantler

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well not exactly disqualify it.. just the part that is shot off cannot be scored... not sure about the clean break thing they talked about in the article... never heard of that.. .. I know if the skull is split then the rack is disqualified

I grabbed a thermacell today from Home Depot... gonna try it out tomorrow morn ... I've heard only good things about them.. crossing my fingers... it will be a God send if it works!

And for the record.. the other experienced measurers refered to in the article if they were in fact B&C measurers.. would probably not have half the experience measuring as Jack Reneau.. and would probably have learned from Jack to get there B&C measurer status..

They really have no reason to try and keep a buck that is a world record out of the book.. there would be nothing for them to gain. If they thought it was a world record contender they would definitely enter it... with all this hubbub they will be coming out with a statement soon on the matter... I read it on their website. No doubt this is an exceptional buck, but rules are rules... unfortunately sometimes By the way.. the buck scored as a non-typical wouldn't be that high over the minimum of 195... in order for the buck to be scored as a non-typical it would have to be higher over the non-typical minimum than it would be over the typical minimum.. so it doesn't qualify as a non-typical. As a non-typical it would be almost 100 inches from the world record anyway.

If you look at the lines on the king buck that I've drawn it gives you the beam top and you will also see the continuation of the g-2... the g-3 seems to be coming of the side of the g-2 and not off the beam.. making it an abnormal point...which automatically makes the g-3 on the opposite side an abnormal point because it no longer has a corresponding point. Both would become deductions... just thought I'd explain the process That is the actual rack in the pic by the way

He can just ask you Steve... he seems to know a lot about scoring and scoring clubs :

No not necessarily.. sometimes even with a thick beam you can still see the separation beteen the pointsat the base... I agree that the B&C scoring method is subjective... but being that it was designed to reward symmetry in a typical rack... the less perfect rack will always be scrutinized more. I personally don't think it's the best way to rank overall headgear... it just happens to be the one that has been around the longest and has the greatest following... All the credible scoring clubs are non-profit clubs B&C, P&Y, and most state scoring clubs. I say credible because the organizations started because a group hunters wanted to make sure there was a records of incredible bucks taken all over the world for future hunters to see... scoring methods like buckmasters are a commercial operation soley to draw attention to the business and to make more money. The clubs are just there to record the animals... it is the hunters who have turned it into a competition... most of the scoring organizations would probably prefer not to even give credit to the hunter and just enter the buck, but they need to tickle the hunters nuts to have access to these bucks so that guys like you and I can have an opportunity to see some of these tremendous deer

I read 215 net.. which would make it the new world record... as for B&C not wanting to score a true world record.. that is nonsense... they benefit in no way by not scoring an animal... in fact.. the possibility of a new world record would be exciting for them because that is what they do and a new record would be a huge promotion for the B&C... I'm sure that there is much more to the story than we are getting... from the pictures I saw I would have come to the same conclusion as to the abnormal points... I do agree that it is strange that a panel didn't come to the decision, so I am assuming that seeing the rack in person makes it much easier to tell that the points shared a common base... believe me.. none of the scoring clubs have any alterior motives when it comes to getting bucks entered... but they do maintain a tight ship when it comes to adhering to scoring rules.

From what I can tell by looking at just the pictures of the King Buck is that the g-3 do come off the top of the beam, but two antler points cannot occupy the same base and be called two points.. if you draw an imaginary continuous line across the top of the beam that would be the base of the antler points.. in my opinion the antler points do occupy the same base... meaning one point is a legit point and the other comes from that point and not the beam.. think of it as a forked antler with an extremely short base... therefore in my opinion the what would normally be the g-3's would become abnormal points... another way to visualize it is... if you cut the points off at the very absolute top of the beam... two separate points would produce two distinct circles indicating two points... two points sharing a common base would show one circle with the points separating slightly above the beam. Unfortunately, the B&C scoring system is based on symmetry when talking about a typical rack...

If it weren't true I'm sure we would have heard from him by now...

As for guns and auto deaths being apples to oranges... death is death whether it comes from the hands of violence or if it comes from slipping on a bar of soap in the shower... "common sense" would say that if the goal is to stop the number of deaths in america... or around the world for that matter... then one would start from the top killer to the bottom killer.. guns are not even in the top 10... in fact more people die each year in pool related accidents... so again.. why all the money spent on passing more laws to keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens? Because gun laws do absolutely nothing to keep guns out of the hands of criminals... if you think they do... you haven't seen the weapons that street gangs are using lately... that is the "reality" that I see... but I don't just call it like i see it.. I call it like it is.

Joe, this is 10 years old study, I'm just not really sure how this is relevant today....a decade is a long time to change the pattern, just saying.... Yeah I'd be for them looking at it again after 10 years

Sorry Dave.. I meant to say that you seem to be okay with others creating their own rules when it comes to satisfying their own interests... wasn't meant to be a cheap shot.. I'm was just refering to some of the things you've said. I apologize if I read them wrong Quotes: "So I can see and this is MY opinion why hunters may shoot a coyote any chance they get." "I am arguing a point not saying I am shooting deer illegally, but if I saw a nice buck at 6:50 instead of 6:55 am I think I would shoot." " I believe that a conservation officer would give a hunter a break if he shoots a deer 5 to 10 minutes before legal hunting time." "I must admit if I saw a nice buck 10 min before or after the legal time I would shoot it too. As long as it was a clear shot and I could see through my scope or pee sight."

LOL.. that's been going on for years here.. in CNY

Note: The Environmental Conservation Law allows 'problem coyotes' to be killed at other times of the year. Section 11-0523 says coyotes that are "injuring private property may be taken by the owner, occupant or lessee... at any time in any manner."

The DEC has looked into year round hunting of coyotes and decided it was not a good idea... http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/72939.html There opinion is the same as mine... they agree that there may be isolated areas where coyotes may have an impact... but there is definitely no threat to the total NY deer population.

Amen.. totally agree

Antler, a lot of hunters don't hold the same opinion as you, in regard to coyotes. Some feel they are the reason for seeing less deer in their hunting area's. There are many articles and video's produced to show the predation caused by Yotes. Right or wrong they have a bad name in the deer hunting community. So I can see and this is MY opinion why hunters may shoot a coyote any chance they get. You don't have to bother telling me they are out of season and it's against the law , this i know. The coyote has a bad rap and that's not going to change. Hunters may feel they are protecting the deer every time a coyote is shot, especially the fawns. Not to mention the small game, in many areas there are none. Just my opinion,not to start a controversy. Which had happened in the past.Dave You're entitled to your opinion... and I agree coyotes have a bad name... the reason there are videos and articles written about their predation is because they are predators... they have just as much right to exist in nature as the whitetail... not sure why it is ok to have 1,000,000 whitetails in NY, but not 20,000 coyotes... and in my opinion it's wrong to condone illegal hunting of coyotes to satisfy your lust for deer... hunting them legally is a better option. Not like you can't take as many as you like during the regular season.. seems to me you are pretty quick to make up your own rules when it comes satisfying your own hunting interest... that to me is not much of a sportsman... not to stir up controversy.. thats just my opinion. And by the way I will always try to take a coyote during the regular season.. so I'm not against hunting coyotes.

It's not even about having more guns.. it's about keeping the ones we have... and gun crimes are not committed by guns they are committed by people using guns.. just like vehicle deaths are not committed by automobiles but by the people that drive them... and with the right licence I can drive the biggest automobile made... Funny how more people are killed in auto related accidents and there hasn't been any laws to ban any "assualt" vehicles...

Nice double beard! good pic too... congrats

A reporter asked people in Islamabad if they thought it was a good thing that Bin Laden was finally dead.. not one person said it was a good thing... who's side do you think Pakistan is on? Or the Muslem world for that matter... the president says this is not a war on Islam.. I beg to differ

Always gets me how hunters have made coyotes out to be the bad guy... 1.,000,000 whitetails in NY... 20,000 coyotes.... not really sure why fellas think there is a problem... population problems with whitetails have way more to do with habitat and hunters than "yotes"... isolated problems in some areas... maybe... a threat to the NY deer herd.. Hardly!

: I hear ya, tough call? Maybe, maybe not.Dave What is so tough about whether to shoot an animal out of season or not? :