nyantler

exactly... it's all about the confidence you have in the weapon you're using

I use a recurve or longbow and wooden arrows... with old school Zwicki Broad heads... no sights... and I know many guys that do the same... not sure any of what you said applies.

I have never believed that the death penalty should be use as a form of vindication, retribution, or vengeance... it should be used only to eliminate that individual from ever being a threat to society again. In my Opinion...Hatred is no reason to kill in any capacity.

This might be getting ahead of things a bit but I think maybe the DEC is moving towards one long season where any weapon is fair game. yup... I said it!

Yeah but that could be said about any weapon in the wrong hands whether we're talking about gun, bow, muzzleloader or crossbow.

Controlling ones temper and passing on doing something you might regret later is commendable... but allowing an act like this to go without at least notifying the authorities would be irresponsible. At least the neighbors will be on notice that they didn't get away with something they might consider trying again later... and give you a little satisfaction for doing the right thing.

I think I understand now where Karl Gundel got the idea for his article... did he interview you?

As long as you are willing to travel to do your paperwork there you can keep it there... you still must change your address to the new address in the other county on your permit. When I say paperwork I mean any amendments or additions to your permit.

I did live in Madison county when I originally got my permit... I did have to change my address, but am allowed to keep my permit in Madison Co. as long as I do all my paperwork there. It would be a nightmare changing it to Onondaga. Madison is a lot more pistol permit friendly. I know it's tough in Onondaga, but the worst that can happen is you get denied... the best is that you get a concealed carry. In my opinion it is worth a shot.

Yes, but Madison County... filled out 1 pc of paper and waited 4 months before restrictions were pulled. Didn't have to see judge... did it right in the sherrifs office. Took 10 minutes

#15 is not a legal weight for bow hunting... so it is just as inappropriate to bring that into a discussion about the effectiveness of a legal weapon. If we're talking about the effectiveness of legal weapons based on that weapons chance of wounding and not retrieving an animal... we also need to talk about archery equipment. I would bet more animals are lost with archery equipment than .223. If we're also talking about using a weapon that works when things go right, and when things go wrong... archery equipment in general would be in the same category as a lower caliber bullet in my opinion. So my question earlier was... Why would someone be concerned about one and not the other if it's about effectiveness? I never said I advocated using a .223 for deer... just that I don't see the difference between that and an arrow if the argument about it being more or less ethical than another weapon choice.

Not having a problem with a hunters legal bullet choice is not the same as endorsing that bullet.

I'm with ya... Yet, there isn't a question of whether a .223 "can" get the job done... just whether or not you or I want to be the one doing it. I don't see a problem with it if that's someone else choice and they are confident in their shooting ability.. you could make the same anti .223 arguments for any caliber rifle or archery equipment in the hands of someone that can't shoot. For some guys anything short of a cannon would be considered undergunned

Only in relation to understanding why a hunter might choose a .223... I am not an advocate for using small calibers if I'm recommending a deer rifle. My point was that there is no difference ethically between the .223 and any arrow... I agree with the argument that it's not the "best" caliber for deer... I don't agree with the argument about there being an ethical problem with a lower caliber, especially since you could make the same argument for archery equipment. The use of either would depend a lot on the proficiency and the shot choices of the person using the weapon.

Yeah, because I can't. Refer to post #10 that will explain the reason for the thread better for you.

Why would you choose not to hunt with a guy who you just told us effectively and cleanly kills deer without having to track them... you prefer hunting with guys who's deer leave a blood trail where you have to track after the shot?

For the same reason someone hunts with a longbow and wood arrows, or any archery equipment for that matter...especially if they choose to do so during the regular gun season. I don't see the difference between opting for a primitive hunting implement and choosing the smallest legal caliber. Small caliber rounds may not be my choice, but I understand the rationale behind using more challenging equipment.

No better than a good ballistic tip on the .223 Better range also with .223... like I said, not my choice for deer but certainly as good as any archery equipment if we're going to argue about the ethics of using .223... if that's what a hunter is confident using I don't see the problem.

Mostly because 22 hollow point is rim fire and not legal for deer... this picture also shows the difference.

Why would one not be willing to use a .223 for deer, but have no problem using an arrow. Now granted, the .223 would not be my first choice, but it is just as effective as any arrow for killing a deer... like an arrow, shot placement is the key... not a lot of room for error... but, we're talking about KILLING a deer here.. not splitting the atom.

I'm pretty sure you're right that Bubba was referring to NYBA... and because of NYBA I agree with what Bubba said... I'm not willing to go as far as saying all bow hunters are selfish and would like to have the hunting season all to themselves... but I will say that my experiences with the NYBA as a past member and business associate left a sour taste for the organization and If you were someone that looked at them as representing all NY bow hunters, your taste would be sour for bow hunters in general. But they are only 2000 of 200,000 bow hunters in NY... and being a bow hunter myself I know that there are no more "selfish" bow hunters than there are gun hunters... no group has exclusive claim on that title.

I bought the Kahr .380... which has high reviews among all the 380's... I put all of the 380's in my hands before deciding on the Kahr... I have no regrets... I added a Crossbreed inside the pants concealed carry holster and think I found the right formula for invisibility, accessibility, and comfort.

It will sell like hotcakes simply because its the latest a greatest new muzzleloader... caters to all the hunters that think spending more money makes you a better shot..lol

If you don't belong to the NRA... you are also part of the problem. Yeah I know there are other good organizations... which wouldn't exist if not for the NRA. $30 a year... $2.50 a month... less than a penny a day... can't be why you don't belong!