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Or thereabouts. What's up?

I use the 125gr Montecs too. I've only taken one deer with one but the broadhead did it's job. I like that they shoot the same as my field points. I even tried a set of the practice points but quit using them because they shot the same as my field points and were harder to get out of the target.

What about bayonet lugs?

Ooookay. I am all for a good conspiracy, but this is even a little out there for me.

Could be, since I believe the numbers of gun hunters are higher aren't they? The problem is that a lot of times the poorly arrowed deer are more visible.

I think I understand your concerns regarding the "humane" thing better now after reading it again and the further explanation. I interpereted it differently at first. My issue isn't with the equipment currently allowed, it's with some of the people using it. I feel that since there seems to be no surefire way to encourage, goad or force them to put in the time and effort to become proficient with the vertical bow, why not legalize a currently available form of (what I believe to be) archery tackle that is commensurate with their drive and abilities?

Unsubstantiated? I have had deer in my fields with arrows in them. My neighbor has pictures of one of them last winter with an arrow sticking out of him. I have helped cut up deer with broadheads in them. I haven't seen any argument that could be construed as saying that vertical bows aren't humane? Is a compound not a more advanced weapon than a traditional bow? Why do people use them? Because they are easier to shoot accurately, giving the user a better chance to get a clean "humane" kill. By allowing more advanced compound bows does that somehow imply that recurves and longbows are less humane?

Be more entertaining if he didn't know you'd switched it until they showed up on his stoop.

I was pretty sure that you weren't implying that all bowhunters are perfect, I just am not sure that I agree that the public perception is that they are more conscientious than others. That is based on my personal experience so it may not be true for different areas. I think what should help is that (I would hope anyway) if they were made legal for archery season that it would still be necessary to go through the archery course to use them during archery season. I don't think our outlooks are really all that far apart in general. Seems to me that the only real place we diverge is when we hit the legal/not legal wall.

Waaay back when I took my hunting class they suggested that you not keep your tags in the back tag holder because it was more likely that you'd lose them all that way. Don't remember anyone saying that it was any sort of regulation though.

http://www.dec.ny.gov/permits/6094.html "Back Tags Must be visibly displayed on the middle of your back while hunting, except in the Northern Zone and Catskill Park."

Guess I was the slowest on the draw.

What I think is stranger still is that you need to wear one in the Southern Zone but not in the Northern Zone. Since I do the majority of my hunting up North I am constantly forgetting to put it on if I just decide to go out back of the house for a bit.

I'm against helmet laws and seatbelt laws too even though I always wore/wear them. As far a tresspassers go, I don't think I'll need to be any more or less vigilant post-crossbow than pre-crossbow. The people who are inclined to trespass, take wild shots, drink and drive, poach, and just be general all-around dinks are going to do it whether you let them hunt with spears or silenced sub-guns, ride mopeds or Ferraris. The only guy I've ever had to go hard on was a bowhunter and I didn't have any trouble catching him. After I got the new fence and Posted signs up I didn't have any more trouble with trespassing. Helps that my family has been in the area since a couple of them fought in the Revolution, but still. I don't believe that just because someone is using a crossbow is going to negatively impact the " image of the traditional ethical and devoted archery hunter" anyway. In my experience that generally only exists in the minds of people who have a history of experience with archery. The image in the minds of most people I know who only gun hunt (unfairly I believe) is the one of finding dead or wounded deer with an arrow stuck in them after bow season ends.

Wanted to go somewhere else but lost my train of thought.

I think I may have not expressed the "no business" part correctly. I also believe that there will be people who currently use compounds who will move to crossbows. I just (based on experiences I've had with people I know) look at it like a certain percentage of those "crossovers" are people who currently only hunt with a compound because of the extra time they get in the woods and not because they are passionate about archery. These people (the ones I know personally) are the type who dust off the bow the last week of September, shoot a handful of arrows across the lawn and call it good, then go out and shoot a deer in the guts (every year) and can't understand why. I do think that crossbows probably are easier to shoot accurately than a vertical bow. I have never used one so I am just basing that on appearances, but I have hefted a couple and they were not something I'd be interested in lugging around. Anyway, back on point; personally, if these particular people are going to be in the woods anyway, they might as well be using something that they can shoot accurately with the minimum practice they are willing to put in. Obviously we would all rather that they either didn't hunt with a bow at all or would take the time to get better, but unless there were to be created some sort of annual accuracy standard before you could get your archery tags (which opens a hole new can of worms) I don't see any way to ensure that.

Sneaky.

Ohhh yeah, huh. It even says that doesn't it!

Nuts, I was hoping to see a big pile of corn. Did you notice the eye in the center of the first pic at the bottom of the corn? Right about where the little clump of weeds are in the second pic.

Personally it doesn't bother me, because those people most likely have no business using a vertical bow anyway. Most of that type are probably not putting in the practice that someone who bowhunts because they like to bowhunt is. I shot instinctive with a recurve for years but didn't hold anything against the 80% letoff/lighted fiber optic sight guys for having their mechanical advantages. I know this will probably come across wrong, but I'm not pro-crossbow because I particularly care about the handicapped anyway. That seems to be the most common reason people give, but I am for crossbows in archery because I feel that they are archery tackle and as long as the other guy stays on his side of the fence, I don't care what kind of archery tackle he uses. Doesn't impact me in the least.

We're on a big gravel hill so no problem with drainage. I don't even really care how it looks so I don't mind all the rain. If it goes too long between mowings I just throw the bush hog on the 574D and have at it!

Have any of you AR-15 guys seen these yet? Not into those rifles but curious to see how it works. Site says videos coming soon. http://ar15spur.com/index.html

I'd say Milk snake too. I am scared of snakes to the point that I'll wake up in a cold sweat from a nightmare and strip the sheet and blanket off the bed to check for them, but I actually leave these alone because they do keep the mice down.

Always seems that the people who complain the most and loudest about "hoarders" whether it be ammo, soup, plywood or TP are the ones who didn't have the foresight to put some aside when it was cheap and available. Not directed at anyone in particular, more of a general observation.

Best I could say at this point is call someone who does it for a living. If you tried the easy adjustments to no avail you'll just get more and more frustrated at this point.