WNYBuckHunter

Ive been seeing big groups of deer for the last few days pretty consistently. Saw a herd of 20+ in a winter wheat field this morning on the way to work, all with their noses in the snow. Im really hoping this weekend is as good as I think it might be. Gotta get it done.

Nuisance permits (DDPs) do have rules and a process is in place for using them. They are slightly different than DMAPs, and dont necessarily mean you can even shoot the deer. Heres a good read for you... http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/7199.html Oh and you still havent answered the question.

feral animals

We have a customer thats named Dick Wild

You arent making it up, I have an appointment with him.

Oh no, not a crossbow! Get out the pitchforks boys! Its time to go get this evil Crossbow wielding guy that calls himself a hunter!

Sorry, I'm not trying to wear anyone down. I just get a little testy when people try to dance away from their words and then accuse me of twisting their words because they can't defend what they originally said. I can only put up with so much of that before I start to dig my heels in. First off, Im not dancing away from anything, you twisted my words, and I surely can and have defended my original statement, you are just looking through a huge set of blinders that dont allow you to understand it. Here is my original statement "Id rather see those guys that dont have time to practice with a vertical bow, pick up a crossbow and have the ability to make an accurate shot on a deer rather than injure a deer due to lack of practice." Notice, I said "pick up a CROSSBOW" not "pick up another weapon". While a crossbow is a weapon, I was very specific as to what weapon should be included in archery season. Why did I choose to say crossbow? Well, because it in fact is archery equipment. At no time did I use any generality like the word "weapon", that was all you Doc. Dont sit there and try to tell me what I meant, you arent clairvoyant. BTW, here is what you originally responded to my statement with... "What are you saying, that because there are hunters that do not take the time to become proficient with their hunting weapon that we should keep adding various weapons into bow season until they finally find one that can be shot without practice?" ...which is not what I was saying, it was just your spin. Nothing more.

Seriously, that sentence was a correction to what you said that I said. No double talk at all. YOU CHANGED WHAT I SAID, therefore twisting the meaning. Youre just too blinded by your narcissistic drive to try and prove your point to see what Im saying. How else can I spell it out for you?

Yeah, theres a bunch of open field it might have gone across. Like I siad, Ill be over there for coyote hunting after next weekend, so Ill look around a bit.

Its not any double talk, you replaced words in what I said to make it into something it wasnt. I pointed it out, plain and simple. I know you arent stupid, and should be able to understand that. I also know that you are the spin king of the forum and you arent going to let go of it and admit you are trying to twist my statement, plenty of others see it and Im done arguing with you. Get back on your meds and relax.

I havent used that one, but its gotta be better than nothing. It can use the same sounds as any other Foxpro. I picked up an e-caller last season, just the Mini-Phantom, and I have yet to use it in the field. I have hunted with 2 Foxpros and they work great.

Rabbit

Thats an awesome 6. Nice sheds too, crazy looking.

Thats a pig right there. Too bad he was so busted up, he would have been pushing 200 if the G4 on his shed was any indication of what it was this year. Who says NY cant run right along side of OH quality wise if you give the deer the age?

I didnt know we were talking about DMAPs, I thought we were talking about bait & shoot. Again, just because someone shoots any deer they see, why does that make their marksmanship skills any lower?

Id have shot the cow, lots of meat there and you dont have to burn a deer tag.

Well, if mine blew away, it must have gone a long long way. It was sitting about 300 to 400 yards off of the road, then there is a field thats another 500 to 600 yards long before the woods. It would have had to go through the hedgerow it was setup in as well. I guess its possible. Ill have to walk over to the other woods and look. Ill be over that way for coyote season anyhow.

100% in agreement!

You still don't get it do you? Nobody is arguing that a crossbow wouldn't cut wounding losses. I never said it wouldn't anyway. Read the posts! My problem with his statement (if you take time to read it) is that it implies that just because there are some bowhunters that don't practice, we should start adding in more weapons to bow season to compensate. Well, why do you think that argument stops with crossbows? I'll repeat: If you or anybody really believes that more efficient weapons should be added into bow season to compensate for those that can not or will not practice why do you think the argument stops with crossbows? Now this probably makes about the 4th or 5th time I've repeated that same thought without anyone bothering to reply to it. But maybe the 4th time is the charm .....lol. As to your second point, no one has convinced me that crossbows in bow season will add even one more hunter. It may very well serve as a convenient weapon for a crossover of gun hunters into bow season. Is that a good thing? Well, I don't think so but others may. At any rate shifting hunters from one hunting season to another does not add numbers to the overall hunter population. Doc, youre nuts. My statement was never to "add more weapons to bow season" it was to add CROSSBOWS to archery season. Since its already established worldwide that crossbows are archery equipment, then it only makes logical sense that they belong in archery season. THAT is why it stops at crossbows, because guns are not archery equipment.

Well then I guess all that drivel about allowing the substitution a more efficient weapon for those that don't devote required time to their bows for practice was just meaningless garbage that you really don't believe in. Or maybe it is just a worthless argument that only goes as far as your fanatical promotion of crossbows in bow seasons. I suspect both are true and that was exactly the point that I was getting at. Wow, you just keep trying to get me to say gun inclusion in archery season is what I want, dont you? I never said that, have never wanted that and you know it. Stop trying to argue a statement I never made, or insinuate that I said something I didnt. The only meaningless garbage is your twisting of my statement and words by adding or substituting words to it.

Sorry but that does not make sense. What does "brown its down" have to do with shooting ability? Also, if its a government run bait and shoot, they do not allow bows or shotguns, the sharpshooters are using scoped rifles and you cannot qualify to participate, its done by LEOs and DEC personnel. Now there have been some cases of parks in suburban or more rural type areas putting on special hunts that you have to qualify for, but its not part of the bait and shoot program. You cannot hunt over bait or at night.

What tree farm do you do to. I have one scheduled for me 45 minutes away. sure would like to get a farm closer that has good trees They arent close to me, on the east side of Waterloo. We always take my daughter to Bass Pro Shops for that Santas Wonderland they have, then we get the tree on the way home. Ill see if I can find the name of the farm for you if you want.

I am one of those people, the guys at work call me Clark Griswold lol. I have a pile of tubs and boxes in the basement for the stuff. I do the house all up with lights outside and just roll them up and put them in the tubs. I dont do those big inflatable tacky things, and there are just a few of the white wire light up trees and deer.

Real Christmas tree or nothing for me. Sure, they are a little more work, but come on, you dont have 5 minutes to water it each day and pick up the fallen needles? I cut my own each year at the same tree farm. They charge $34.50 tax included for any type of tree, any size. For all those that think a fake tree is better for the environment, youve got to be kidding. Im sure the pollution caused by the manufacturing processes for those trees is great for the environment. Also, when they get thrown out (and they will), they will become part of the ever growing landfill problem. Real trees are grown and replanted after they are cut, and they rot back into the soil as long as you dont throw them in with your trash.

That looks like a police car to me, probably just driving by.