I have a 2 man ladder stand. Ive had myself and my fiance up in it a few times, its rock solid. I have 4 ratchet straps holding it to the tree, the ladder does not support it much at all besides when you first prop it up. I have to get up there and fully release it this year, as its been up long enough for the tree to grow a little and lift the bottom of the ladder off the ground just a bit. That is my favorite stand, it came with a roof and blind that goes on it, so it is nice when its raining, snowing or windy. Almost as good as a box type blind.