G-Man

I use it it takes some practice to do it right, i tried it on pictures of a mount i have with known score first to get the hang of it, and then on some trail cams pic..i usually do it 2-3 times per pic and average them( damn deer never seem to look right at camera at 90 45 or 0 degrees). Not perfect but will give you an idea of the size of the bucks your capturing on film. The more pics you have of the same deer will help as you can average them out. I think it was worth the 10 bucks. The only problem i have is i told some friends about it and now they just send me their pics to score....to cheap to buy it themselves..had to put a stop to that pretty quick.

fantail, try some hybrid chestnuts,produce in five years, good production in 10 years, my oldest in are now 15 years old and produce a bushell of nuts per tree at 25-30'tall and 6-8 in in diameter.

Only costs about 30 dollars to make but takes 3 days lol... we go thru 10lbs just opening weekend of bow, to the point now I keep one whole deer just to make jerky out of.

I have a few issues on a late season doe harvest. 1. Having enough hunters to remove the goal number of does(its close to christmass and most guys I hunt with are marrier w kids) 2.will the doe still be there as I have a lack of thermal cover on my property and they will most likely be on my neighbors due to a 20year old pine plantation. 3. The button bucks are yet another month older and with hair fluffed for warmth it creates identification problems.

Yep, wait for the trees to grow and wait for the buck to get some age on them....

I'm signed into a 3 year lease with 2 years left on it, my neighbor has had 3 different gas lases overhis lifetime, nothing has been drilled in our area in years and it doesn't look that they will drill any time soon, its freemoney! Nys does a good job of regulatiing the drilling and if your not sure of what to get put in a lease get a lawyer. I don't have a problem with drilling the information you want/need is out there. the payments help with planting and paying taxes.

Splitg2, thanks for the info, i'll try it looks like it might work a little better than what i've been doing or at least give me something to show the guys i hunt with how to come up with a goal number. tough to convince someone that only comes down for a few days how many deer there really are,especially if they don't see them the day they are out. My neighbor to the north insists there are no deer, but every year we seem to get ours....of course living there and taking 3-4 weeks off work to hunt helps a little too. ;D

Just doing about 274 acres, 60 acres of sanctuary, about 20 acres of plantings, rest wooded, i am sandwiched inbetween to other large landowners,254 acres to the north and 360acres to the south. Deer were very over populated as the owner to the north hunts by himself(out of town owner)the neighbor to the south hunts with 2-3 family members, wasn't uncommon to see 30or more doe running together when i bought back iin 93'. we seem to have gotten the doe population down to reasonable numbers and usually just see groups of 5-7 now. The neighbor to the south usually tags out and the one to the north maybe gets 1 buck a year and maybe a doe(this year he got nothing) he seems to hunt 1 maybe 2-3 days a year(elderly). I always take into account what my neighbors harvest and i live on the property so i see the deer in the fields all year. Just trying to get a little more scientific in counting the numbers than i have in the past. We have harvested 283 deer off the property since 93' and 77 have been antlered buck.

Really joe i have no idea how the dec can get any numbers accuratly... I was thinking we had our doe down to about 3-1 but after muzzleloader season i really wonder.. i don't know how one could with out being in a high fenced area...damn deer don't stop wandering over the property lines! I guess i'll just have to keep the 10 doe a year goal and base that more on hunter satisfaction(harvesting makes people happy) than the real good hard science i was hoping to be enlightened on.

The one 30 acre area has a visability of about 30-50 yards, the second 30 acres has about 10-15yards....thats line of sight getting a bullet or arrow to go more than 5 yards would be tough. The biggest thing i am lacking is thermal cover, dame pine and spruce won't stop growing... have new areas planted and just need to wait ten years or so for them to get good!

nice!

Make my own jerky, 30 lbs of it never seems to last long enough especially if company shows up!

Nice!! amazing how a trailcam can show you whats in the area, even better when you or a friend harvest it!!

you could blow that one up to poster size and put a cute caption under it and sell it! lol nice pic! good to see doe and fawns together

Illegal in ny.....

I don't think you could eliminate the bear population,but it is growing pretty rapidly. I just think that i hear all the time about coyotes eating fawns, but bears do it a lot too and are pretty effecient at it.. i've seen doe chase a coyote away from where her fawns may be hiding, don't think it would try to chase a bear without getting swatted(and probably killed itself). Just another predator to knock down fawn recruitment ..

Isn't the high gas prices the thing that started the crash of the economy remember the car clunker trade in?..would be ashame to have it crash again i don't think it can withstand much more of a rise in prices in its weakend condition....

the sanctuarys we have are defined within a perimiter of logging roads, hard to miss that boundry with a 10 ft wide road running around them.

Black bear are the largest predator of fawns in the east...much more than the coyote. As for the mountain lions i really don't think i'll worry about them or maybe i will as much as i worry about being abducted by aliens.. ;D Matter of fact i bet there are more video's and abduction stories about aliens in new york than there are of wild mountain lions......

Anyone know any reason there is no spring season? seems like bear are showing up everywhere...

With all the expansion the dec has done to the bear hunting area i wonder why they don't institute a spring season??

I reload 45-70gov, 30-06, .223, .300 win mag. the 45-70 is a great round when handloaded has nice range 200-250 yrds for hunting in wny and had plenty of knockdown power, reloading is a must as the factory ammo is lackluster as it has to be safe in antique firearms,but it is capable of killing any and all northamerican game. its what got me started and since i had all the hardware to do it all i needed was dies for my other rifle rounds.

I think just knowing what is availiable "out there" if all you see are young bucks thats what you shoot. As soon as some "good" bucks are seen it seems you tend to hold out for a chance at one of them.... Maybe a state land game camera post showing there are better bucks out there would help? At least thats how i was able to get some of the neighbors to hold for a better buck showing them the pics from all summer seems to have gotten them excited and they have started to get better deer themselves with out having to form a qdm co-op or antler restrictions...

we've been doing that right along and have had great sucess, but this year we literaly saw 2 to 3X as many buck as we did doe if i went by observation during bow season we would of had 4-1 in favor of the bucks, gun season was 1-5 for the doe, and muzzleloader 1-15 for the doe, I thought i could usually get a pretty good idea of the doe population of cam pics and sightings in summer. but i wonder if all the bucks had them in some kind of hiding? We took 10 doe again this year 4 during muzzleloader but we saw a lot more than i thought were availabled, just wondering how many are missed in the counting..and if there is some kind of formula to make a better educated guess?

A nice thermal cover sancutuary thick pines for example is a great thing to have for late season. I agree that a large sanctuary can become a doe family group bedding area, but if you have the does the bucks will come by to check them, you might want to create a thicker area downwind of your doe area, the bucks will "lay in wait" there for the does to come into estrus.