Scott Walker Stays?

[sits in trees]

Whattaya all think about this slippery slop, seems the people have spoken and wanna keep public unions in check here. I do however agree that this could have a dark side too. But that seems to be the outcome of everything political in America anymore, no more bright sides for anyone except the rich.

Just look at the choices we have for president, do nothin Obama, or Romney who will more than likely suck the little blood the middle class has left! Are we doomed?

Edited June 6, 2012 by sits in trees

[sweet old bill]

I do think we are in a world of hurt for the middle class. I worked all my life, retired from a major firm that gave it workers a healthcare plan and retirement plan. Now I see the changes will be just like down south across the border, we will have no chance for a hard working person to make it, it will continue to push the 98% down to make the 2% richer and richer. Unions sure increased the overall pay for all workers, now the key is take away those benifits to all workers...

[Dave]

Guy's lets face it can we afford to pay for health and pension benefits for gov't union workers, teachers etc???

The private sector has no such protection, no free medical, and most pay toward their pension and it's not guaranteed to be paid like gov't workers. Especially when their benefits are much better than our's. Including their salaries. Walker made a bold stand and balanced a multi billion dollar deficit. We will be going the was of the Greek economy if we don't do something, now we need the federal Gov't to follow Walkers lead. HMO

[Fantail]

Here's my 3 point plan

End Welfare

End foreign aid

Sterilize unions & welfare addicts

[First-light]

If both parties don't start working together "America" as we know it is over. End of story....................

[Grizz1219]

Thank God he won.. period... union's are going to destroy states and the gov with their cost... He did what was needed....

[NYbuck50]

Fantail, will you run for office please?

[ELMER J. FUDD]

Fantail, will you run for office please?

Ditto. He can't because he's too busy working like the rest of us.

Did anyone find it strange that all the news channels were claiming the race was too close to call? How is a 60% to 40% too close?

I thought Palin nailed it on fox. (yep, I used Palin, nailed, and fox in a sentence )

http://video.foxnews.../1675571731001/

Anyone catch the woman on either Hannity or O'reilly with Juan Williams? She said something like " We can't go on half (of us) making and half taking."

A unionized middle class can not afford itself.

Edited June 6, 2012 by ELMER J. FUDD

[MountainHunter]

This is a very positive result. Unions have gone way to far and contribute more negatively to the over all economy than they do positively. When it costs a third again as much to build some thing with a union shop than it does with a very fairly compensated non union shop than something is very wrong.

The middle class has deteriorated with our loss of jobs in the manufacturing sector over several decades. We need to bring jobs of that nature back. If we don't create jobs in the middle income range for the masses we are doomed. Artificially inflating public positions without the private industry being robust in a recipe for failure.

[Setters4life]

I viewed the vote to keep him as positive. I'll leave it at that.

America is still in a world of hurt though. I found these graphs interesting. http://www.crgraphs.com/

The following chart shows the post-WW2 recessions in the U.S., and the respective total monthly job loss/gain in percentage for each. As you can see, the job numbers returned to pre-recession levels for every recession, except for the current one. (Click on the first graph, and view them all. Chilling!)

At the current rate, we will be lucky to reach the 2007 levels before another financial event happens. Another curious note is that for the past four recessions, the timeline of a return to normalcy is growing at what appears to be an almost exponential rate. The economy has been in an up and down cycle and has never shown any kind of recovery. A nation of 312 million people and we generated 69,000 new jobs last month?

In 2008 it was written that in order to reverse the recession, return to December's 2007 unemployment, factoring in natural growth of a labor force of 90,000 jobs/month, in order to stabilize the economy we needed to add an additional 250,000 jobs per month for the next 66 months. 250,000 jobs/month! That has always been the magic number. Have we ever hit that????

Several financial news sites that have referenced this chart, which is based on actual Bureau of Labor Statistics, call it, simply -

The Scariest Jobs Chart Ever.

Edited June 6, 2012 by Setters4life

[wooffer]

That is because the cure is worse than the disease now. We used to have economic downturns but our government didn't try to solve them by printing trillions in worthless dollars and sprinkling them around the country under the guise of a "stimulus".

In the past consumers started spending again and as a result factories re-opened and their neighbors got put back to work. Our economy was like a water fountain. Sometimes the pump slowed but the water was always there.

Now if we start spending again factories in China will re-open. We won't be putting our neighbors back to work and our economy is more of a "waterfall". With our dollars going off a cliff never to be seen again.

[Grouse]

Walker's fight was only against public sector unions, not private ones. He won because he supported taxpayers and they were on his side. The other side was supported by those who leech off the taxpayers. Imagine if that side was large enough to win the fight. Right now, that is what they will start working towards. They fail to realize if the side that takes is larger than the side that pays, the game is over. That is what Walker was fighting against from the very beginning.

If your paycheck comes from public coffers, you have no right to demand anything and must accept what the public is willing to pay you. If you don't like that, you can quit and join the public sector.

All Government Unions need to be outlawed and banned! They have no right to be unionized because they don't help their employers make a profit, they are total expense. And as any good accountant knows, expenses must always be kept to a minimum if one is to survive. Government Unions were put in place for the sole purpose of buying votes and keeping their benefactors in power at taxpayer expense. That is nothing but extortion. But politicians have done a masterful job of convincing the public it supports the middle class. The fact is, the middle class supports the public unions to the extent it will destroy the middle class.

Walker stuck to his guns in the face of massive corrupt opposition. He is the bravest elected official in America today and is to be congratulated on his hard won victory.

I have no complaint with private sector unions that compete fairly, but if they need the government to make laws that give them an unfair advantage in the market, they need to be destroyed as well. Elected officials take huge campaign contributions from private unions and then pass laws that benefit them? That is bribery! That's supposed to be illegal, but laws were passed to make it legal. The unions that do this, along with the elected officials that play along, must all be removed from our society if this country is going to thrive.

[adirondackbushwhack]

As the public unions go so too will go the private sector. As pay and benefits are cut for public unions so too will they be cut for the private sector. Those of you who have fallen for the propaghanda from the politicians might note that they are not getting their pay or benefits cut only working people are. Those of you in the private sector who approve of the politicians actions against the unions should pay close attention because you are soon to follow.

[adirondackbushwhack]

Incidentally the politicians determine the size of government not the unions. If there are too many working for the government than you have only the politicians to blame.

[wooffer]

If both parties don't start working together "America" as we know it is over. End of story....................

Both parties are working together and have been for years. They are just not working together for us, ratherto empower themselves.

[wooffer]

Incidentally the politicians determine the size of government not the unions. If there are too many working for the government than you have only the politicians to blame.

It would be nice if that were true, but the unions have this president in their pocket.

[Dave]

I think that public union members should be banned from voting for their self interest at the expense of taxpayers. Private sector employees don't get to vote for their benefits so why should public employees vote for their's? If things were on the level only those who pay the tab should be able to vote. Private sector employees create money to pay the benefits of public employees. Public union employees make nothing, but are better compensated than the people who pay for their benefits. We can't last as a nation if we continue to pay for benefits when we don't have the money. California today voted to cut benefits of public employees and the Walker win in WI may be the turning point. Let's hope so!!!!! JMHO

As Obama always say's pay your fair share, well the public unions should follow their leader. Hopefully to the unemployment line.

[erussell]

I think unions started out for a good cause but like everything human it got out of control and is now a 800lbs gorrilla in a bannana tree eating everything it can get its hands on. Greed has ruined the unions. Im not for the complete removal of unions but they need to be reigned in.

[sits in trees]

As the public unions go so too will go the private sector. As pay and benefits are cut for public unions so too will they be cut for the private sector. Those of you who have fallen for the propaghanda from the politicians might note that they are not getting their pay or benefits cut only working people are. Those of you in the private sector who approve of the politicians actions against the unions should pay close attention because you are soon to follow.

this might be true if you replaced the public union part of your first sentance with private unions. Back in the 60s and 70s when public unions were nothing and private unions like the teamsters were all the rage we had a thriving economy and lo taxes and lo unemployment? Edited June 7, 2012 by sits in trees

[Dave]

The private section unions have taken a hit during this recession but the public sector unions have not. Lots of the trades in NYC have taken cuts just to keep working. Local #3 workers have seen 20% pay cuts just to keep working. Imagine a public union being asked to take a 20% cut to keep their jobs. Every sector in this economy has taken a hit except for the public sector, that just isn't right.

When things get tough the Feds bail out the public unions, they get full pay and benefits. But the private sector just gets unemployment max about $405 a week and no job guarantee. Tell me is that fair? How is a public union job concidered more important than a private sector job? When the one that's saved makes no money , generates no profit. And the one that does gets nothing. Makes no sense totally ass backwards.

[adirondackbushwhack]

The private section unions have taken a hit during this recession but the public sector unions have not. Lots of the trades in NYC have taken cuts just to keep working. Local #3 workers have seen 20% pay cuts just to keep working. Imagine a public union being asked to take a 20% cut to keep their jobs. Every sector in this economy has taken a hit except for the public sector, that just isn't right.

When things get tough the Feds bail out the public unions, they get full pay and benefits. But the private sector just gets unemployment max about $405 a week and no job guarantee. Tell me is that fair? How is a public union job concidered more important than a private sector job? When the one that's saved makes no money , generates no profit. And the one that does gets nothing. Makes no sense totally ass backwards.

Actually I used to be in a public union and they took bigger cuts than that. Unfortunantly the government/media complex never let the facts get in the way of their rhetoric and so people believe what they do. And one more fact that the government/media complex doesn't speak of is that the public unions cannot strike and so they only ever get what the politicians agree to pay.

[Dave]

Actually I used to be in a public union and they took bigger cuts than that. Unfortunantly the government/media complex never let the facts get in the way of their rhetoric and so people believe what they do. And one more fact that the government/media complex doesn't speak of is that the public unions cannot strike and so they only ever get what the politicians agree to pay.

Don't insult the members on this site with this BS. Who in their right mind would strike if your making a better salary and benefits to your counter parts in the private sector. When we get the unemployment numbers each week 99.99% come from the private sector and not the public sector unions bailed out by the federal gov't and state gov't. I ask you who bails out the hundreds of thousands on unemployment people.

Why is it such a big deal if a teacher gets laid off but not when the parents in that school district lose their jobs. Where is the equality of jobs why is one deemed better than the other that the gov't would bail out the teachers and not the accountant, mechanic,etc.

[Grouse]

I'd like to hear someone give me one single reason public unions were even allowed to begin with!

[Dave]

I'd like to hear someone give me one single reason public unions were even allowed to begin with!

You hit the nail on the head. I think it's for politicians to pander and promise the union better benefits which turns into votes.

[ELMER J. FUDD]

Public employees need to remember that they have a job because the private employee has a job and can afford their service. This is very relevant to the whole school tax situation. Why are public employees getting raises in a year when our pay is being cut (mostly) or even eliminated?

Let's be realistic, private sector unions are largely employed by tax dollars. When's the last time you saw a private owned building put up with union labor? With the exception of in NYC.