Okay, it's official - Whitetail Mgmt implemented

[growalot]

This is from there definitions...So even they differentiate between the 3 and have crossbows defined separately...So what does that now do to the wording in the regulations?

Bow - includes long (stick), compound, or recurve bow.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Dunno. Maybe they just havent updated the definitions. They seem to be piece mealing the site together right now. I dont see them taking compounds and recurves out of the season lol.

[apoallo]

Wow...this is different than what I just read in outdoor news which stated no youth hunt and what in the world does this mean?!!

that means if you were a youth hunter you cannot have a firearm of any kind or a crossbow.Only a long bow recurve/ compound. Also the adult you have to be with isnt allowed a firearm or crossbow either, just a recurve/compound

[landtracdeerhunter]

The wording is a little confusing. October 1st southern zone bow opener, has that certain ring to it. Am I dreaming?

Edited July 12, 2012 by landtracdeerhunter

[growalot]

Thanks apoallo...It was the wording of being able to process only a long bow is what I meant...appreciate the response though ..

WNYBH..yes......I doubt that they would exclude recurves and compounds...lol...... but they should be very specific on the wording in a regulations book..I would think they could have at least one experienced hunter in the DEC able to proof type before going to print as it were

[wdswtr]

You then have to look at their definitions for long bows to see what they mean by that. Its never simple lol.

Its all over the page. My guess is they did it to easily differentiate the difference between a vertical bow and a crossbow so less people are confused. Just a guess though.

My guess is because the people who are writing this stuff have no idea what the heck they are writing to begin with. My guess is they have never even touched a bow let alone seen on in person. Probably are even hunters to begin with, but hey thats just a guess. They are trying to speak a language they have no idea how to speak so we understand.

Now Im confused again lol. We have a firearms youth hunt, it says during that time a youth can use a bow as well. No where did I read an adult can still bowhunt yet, someone asked and got yes replies. Anyone care to point out where it is stated an adult can still bowhunt during the special firearm youth hunt.

[fasteddie]

Getting an answer from the DEC can be difficult .

When I asked a question about the legality of using a deer decoy while hunting and that I couldn't find anything in the Regs saying it's legal , I was told by a DEC officer , " If it doesn't say it's illegal , then it is legal" ! So , I would tend to believe that since it doesn't say we cannot bow hunt during a youth season , then we would be able to do so .

[Culvercreek hunt club]

the description is so many days starting from October 1st....they do not list a broken/split season for an adult bowhunter.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Under SZ bowhunting

"Early Season: October 1 through the Friday immediately preceding regular season"

[landtracdeerhunter]

Small game youth seasons are before regular seasons usually. It will be interesting to see how deer youth season plays out. I figured that with youth gun, the archery season would be closed for those 3 days. Some of those young people with guns, running around the fields and all. I know it says with a 3 years experienced hunter and all, but it didn't say educated hunter or hunting style.

Edited July 12, 2012 by landtracdeerhunter

[Culvercreek hunt club]

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. I know it says with a 3 years experienced hunter and all, but it didn't say educated hunter or hunting style.

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THe escorting hunters will be in the woods with us either in this season (escorting) or in the regular season (hunting) I am not concerned. I think the young hunters may take a more serious view of things such as safety since there may have been less time since their safety course. When I hunt that weekend I will wear orange to and from my stand and place my vest around my tree.

[SteveMcD]

Not to Rain on the Parade.... But there is NO YOUTH HUNT -

Quoting from another source -

Maybe this can shed a little insight into this discussion:

As of this past Tuesday July 11, DEC filed the Notice of Adoption with the Department of State to amend several deer hunting regulations for the 2012 Big Game seasons. Included in the changes were 12 separate actions pertaining to deer hunting, including provisions for a three day Youth Big Game Firearms Hunt on Columbus Day weekend. These regulations were effective upon the Notice of Adoption appearing in the NYS Register yesterday.

See: http://www.dos.ny.go.../pdfs/rules.pdf Scroll down to page 6 to see the DEC section. This is the annual process that DEC goes through to amend sporting regulations, and accordingly provides for a 3 day special youth deer hunting opportunity.

Here’s where it gets sticky and clouded:

During the past legislative session, the Assembly ENCON Committee, chaired by Assemblyman Sweeney, considered Assembly Bill (A9682) which would have expanded crossbow use to other big game seasons. They did not pass that specific bill and instead passed Assembly A10583 which simply extends the limited current cross bow use for another two years, however, it also contains new specific language that prevents DEC from establishing regulations allowing any crossbow or firearm use for deer hunting during the early archery season. This bill passed both the Senate and the Assembly in their mad rush to end the session. Accordingly, the bill now goes to the Governor for his signature and becomes law when that happens.

So we currently have an officially adopted Regulation which allows for a Youth Archery Season and also a proposed law which specifically contradicts the use of firearms to take deer during the early archery season. Law trumps regulation.

Complicating the matter is that the Legislature is now out of session and the rules for Executive approval and signing change. When in session, the Governor has 10 working days to sign the bill, veto the bill or if he takes no action it becomes law after the 10 days.

When they are out of session, he is under no time constraints to do any thing with the bill and he can just let it sit there indefinitely. By doing nothing with it, the bill essentially becomes a “pocket veto” (dead).

Th conundrum we’re having now is that nobody knows what the Governor will do with this bill.

As of this writing we have a Youth Deer Hunt scheduled for Columbus Day weekend, as provided for by 6NYCRR regulations adopted yesterday.

However, if the Governor signs the bill, then that takes precedence and trumps the regulations and there is no Youth Hunt.

Your guess is as good as mine as to what will happen.

Hope this gives a clearer picture of where we stand.

I gotta find my “I Love NY” bumper sticker. (I also need a beer, too !)

Edited July 12, 2012 by SteveMcD

[NYbuck50]

Finally, that 3 day Columbus day weekend wont be just scouting!!!

[Culvercreek hunt club]

""They did not pass that specific bill and instead passed Assembly A10583 which simply extends the limited current cross bow use for another two years, however, it also contains new specific language that prevents DEC from establishing regulations allowing any crossbow or firearm use for deer hunting during the early archery season. This bill passed both the Senate and the Assembly in their mad rush to end the session.""

Anyone what to bet what organization was behind THAT bill?

[burmjohn]

Sheez

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[biggamefish]

What can you break that down for me Steve McD. Ha Ha.

SO My question's is we CAN still hunt archery while the youth's are hunting?

What does the law say about the mentour carrying a gun during the youth hunt?

[biggamefish]

The other thing I don't like is the antler restrictions. I don't know about you but I would love to have a 16-17 inch spread spike horn. I saw one a few years back and it was awsome I just had no shot. I have seen pics on here before also. Guess we can't have everything.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Guys, its right in the 5 year plan if I remember correctly. The youth season runs concurrent with the archery season. As long as you are not accompanying a youth hunting with a gun, you can still bow hunt. Email the DEC if you want, youll get the same answer.

[wdswtr]

Anyone what to bet what organization was behind THAT bill?

My thoughts exactly. Did we not just see this same type scenario last year with the crossbow bill. It had to be corrected like 3 times if I remember right because it was worded wrong and push through at the last minute. Would of thought the learning curve was over and more attention would have been practiced. The youth hunt was the biggest bitch about ruining the early bow season from that orginazation. Hows that saying go? Screw me once shame on you screw me twice shame on me.

Edited July 13, 2012 by wdswtr