Interesting Youth Season Spot on News

[bzxss]

I just talked to a guy planning to take his kid hunting during the special youth gun hunt in October. He saw it passed on TV. These guys won't bother checking the regulations so they will be out there.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Well, as of right now, the youth season is still on, the bill that contains the wording has not been signed by Gov Cuomo.

[Doc]

lol of course i was kidding, and i am not mad that you think bubba and i are the same. .

Sorry for the Bubba comment. There never is any excuse for comparing anyone to Bubba. That is way over the line even as a joke .....

[Paula]

[Pipecrew]

I don't know what to believe. I think I read here a couple weeks ago the youth hunt wasn't going to happen. A guy I work with swears it passed and the youth hunt is going to happen.

I see Cayuga county allows rifle hunting now. I'm a little nervous about this, the farmer on the neighboring property to us has a "shoot everything" mentality and a band of idiots that hunt there. That's all we need is them showing another generation bad hunting habits.

[Buckstopshere]

The Youth deer hunt is still set for Columbus Day weekend, the first weekend of archery season here. Just two months away. Check it out here on the DEC site.

http://www.dec.ny.gov/regulations/81317.html

[WNYBuckHunter]

I don't know what to believe. I think I read here a couple weeks ago the youth hunt wasn't going to happen. A guy I work with swears it passed and the youth hunt is going to happen.

I see Cayuga county allows rifle hunting now. I'm a little nervous about this, the farmer on the neighboring property to us has a "shoot everything" mentality and a band of idiots that hunt there. That's all we need is them showing another generation bad hunting habits.

It passed, and is going to happen Oct 6,7,8 unless Gov. Cuomo signs the bill that nixes it before that.

Sounds to me like those people will be passing on their "bad habits" with or without the 3 days of extra hunting. Why would the youth hunt make it worse? As long as the people arent breaking the law or being unsafe, why worry about what deer they choose to shoot anyhow?

[WNYBuckHunter]

Not sure why your link didnt work buckstopshere, fixed it for ya

[Pipecrew]

It passed, and is going to happen Oct 6,7,8 unless Gov. Cuomo signs the bill that nixes it before that.

Sounds to me like those people will be passing on their "bad habits" with or without the 3 days of extra hunting. Why would the youth hunt make it worse? As long as the people arent breaking the law or being unsafe, why worry about what deer they choose to shoot anyhow?

The farmer has been heard numerous times saying "We shoot everything". I know he has at least 30 landowner permits which he does everything in his power to fill. Yes he has a right to these permits if thats what the state is giving him. We find on average 2 to 4 deer on our property dead (found a nice little 7 point with a drop tine dead last Dec that I passed on 3 different times during bow season). He has never asked us once for permission to try to recover these deer. He told another hunter that if they make to the "woods" they don't bother looking anymore. The same hunter told me he saw his group with 3 button bucks the last weekend of the season.

Frustrating to see and hear, that's all I'm trying to say. I was lucky enough to kill a 147" 8 point there back in 2009. The bucks don't have much of a chance to grow with these guys around, and yes a few have them have been in trouble with the law and DEC. My buddy lost a trail camera last season too. How would you feel???????

[jjb4900]

Is there a deadline for signing the bill that would block the youth hunt?

[WNYBuckHunter]

Id be mad about losing the trail cam, and would wonder a bit about the deer, but who knows how far those deer ran or why they werent tracked down. Ive lost a couple of deer before, it happens. As far as how many deer he can shoot, well, hes a farmer and makes his living off the land. Deer tear up his crops, costing him money and his living. I tend to believe that the farmers have more of a right to kill the deer to preserve their income than we do to kill them for sport.

Just my opinion.

[Buckstopshere]

Thanks man. I think it is really important that everyone realizes that as the days tick on and the governor has not signed the crossbow bill (that carries the weird little sentence hidden at the end to kill the youth hunt,) whether you agree or not, or believe in wearing blaze orange or not...are ready or not, the reality of it happening should not surprise anyone. But I think it will.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Is there a deadline for signing the bill that would block the youth hunt?

September 30th is the latest I would think. Once the season is underway it cant be changed. Im not 100% on the date, but that would only stand to reason, as the license year runs Oct 1 to Sept 30.

[Buckstopshere]

During session, the governor must sign or veto legislation within 10 days after transmittal (Sundays excepted), or it becomes law without signature. Legislation transmitted with fewer than 10 days left in the session must be acted upon by the governor within 30 days after adjournment, or is pocket vetoed.

So if the bill was transmitted late,...maybe it was pocket vetoed. And it might die or be dead and the youth hunt is on! But I am no legislative expert.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Im sure there will be an announcement if it ends up being signed. They already released the info on the youth hunt publically, so I can imagine they would make sure to let everyone know if its cancelled.

[bubba]

I would think if the governor signed it, it would become law not stopped. Unless he vetoes it, then it could go back and be overridden with a vote.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Huh?

The youth season was signed and passed, but the new crossbow extension is what can kill the youth season, so if the Gov signs that bill into law, it stops the youth season. If he does not sign that bill, its called a pocket veto, but that only happens if the legislature is out of session.

http://63.118.56.3/sws/aboutsenate/how_idea_becomes_law.html

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Wonder what brain trust set up one hunter regulation to be pitted against another. wht a cluster !^

[WNYBuckHunter]

So, the legislature is out of session until January, and the bill still hasnt hit the Gov's desk, that means it will reach his desk while they are out of session and be pocket veto'ed if he doesnt sign it. Sounds good to me...

[WNYBuckHunter]

Wonder what brain trust set up one hunter regulation to be pitted against another. wht a cluster !^

NYB

[Culvercreek hunt club]

NYB

I knew that...I should have put LOL

[WNYBuckHunter]

Who else would be behind that kind of crap lol. NYB is the biggest hunter vs hunter organization out there IMO. They are just as bad, if not worse than the antis.

[wdswtr]

I agree to not disagree lol.

[WNYBuckHunter]

lol

[WNYBuckHunter]

Just an update, I was talking to DEC today and the bill that would do away with the youth hunt still has not reached the Gov's desk. Sounds to me like the youth hunt is probably going to go on as scheduled.