Any Predictions?

[Doc]

This Cuomo character sure is making a pile of enemies in his first term. I've been watching the "anti-frackers" demonstrating in front of his office, and I know that movement is very large Just a little under 50% last I heard. Then there is the pro-gun constituency. We're not huge in number, but certainly significant. And perhaps by the time election time rolls around he will have managed to make different enemies for different reasons. You know, if the Republicans can come up with a viable candidate ( a huge "if"), it may turn out that he has made himself very vulnerable. Of course the big question is, "will people remember when election time comes"?

Here's the challenge. Can we keep these issues in the minds of voters at a date so far away? We have a way of getting all excited about issues, to the point where a lot of hunters are threatening to commit a felony in protest. I don't know what excites the anti-frackers and others who should really hold a grudge when they go to the polls, but traditionally, no matter how passionate people are, they seem to forget when they head to the polls. And of course a lot of them don't even vote. So while there should be a lot of reasons to vote that character out, I think history tells us that it probably won't happen. I have already seen the gun issue beginning to fade in the media and frankly even here. And yet we are armpit deep in the Obama gun-owner harrassment proposals, and here is a time when we should be flooding and re-flooding our representatives and senators with letters, e-mails, and phone calls. We also have activity aimed at getting the NYS gun law repealed or declared illegal. Again all these issues are dying down. I will guarantee that by the time Cuomo's election comes around (and the elections of all the ones that voted for it), everyone will have some other issue to be ranting about and these legal challenges on the 2nd Amendment will be yesterday's news and no one will remember.

If the anti-frackers are made of the same kind of forgetfulness, they won't oppose him either. It just seems to be an American attribute ..... quick to get excited, and quick to forget. So, what do you all think? Will Cuomo and his anti-gun croneys be in trouble or will all this just pass into history as another government win? I'm afraid I know the answer.

[landtracdeerhunter]

Don't forget the gambling issue. He wants to stick it to the Indian people, for not paying their share of casino winnings. I suppose he'll ram that through too, without putting it before the voters. All we need is more casinos in this state. Hope Mickey Mouse runs in the next election. I'll vote for him!

[growalot]

Funny you posted this...I was just thinking yesterday...politicians and their handlers have come to realize ....that Americans have a very short attention span....

[josephmrtn]

He is NEVER gonna win another election if the citizens of NY have anything to say about it

[G-Man]

we are very apathetic as a people, 9/11 hundreds of american flags flying everywhere, 6 months after...a meer smattering. from 300 on my mom's street, to 2 after , the same two that flew before 9/11. history shows we don't care... he the guy at this rate will probably be 1st emporer of america... ugh...

[wdswtr]

I am betting he is running for the big office in 2016, as far as voting a republican in office in NY it just wont happen, unfortunate for republicans but NYC just out votes them. I feel his strategy is to set himself up for a presidential run with look at what I did in NY. The thing is up till past few months I felt he brought a bit of republican views to the table and liked some of the things he has done. But he sure wiped all that out in the past couple months. It makes me really think that his actions were pursuaded and not his in order to have a campaign in 2016 to run with. Damn I really miss Reagan. One thing I havent really followed to date but what has Cuomo done for NYC to get people back on there feet? I see clips here and there where there are thousands of people still without a place to call home. WIll these unfortunate people remember as well when they go to the polls. Its odd because I really believe most people follow a guideline of looking at a person who did a 100 great things in life and all they remember is the 1 bad thing, but yet when it comes to polititians its the opposite, they look at the 1 good thing they did and forget the 100 bad things. Something I dont think I will ever understand myself.

Edited February 10, 2013 by wdswtr

[Doc]

We have shown in the past that we can vote in Republicans, but that is not the point. The point is that we have to use our vote as punishment and reward. We have to convince these people that their votes on issues have consequences. They are getting to the point where they don't believe that any more. We have to somehow restore that thought back into their minds. We have that potential with Cuomo as his list of enemies has grown rapidly since he took office. We have to keep these issues alive and active until election time. And if his voting record does not do him in as NYS Governor, then we have to make it chase him in his efforts for the presidency. As far as the other lackeys that voted for this gun law, the same thing applies. They too have to learn that their votes have consequences. It's not a Republican or Democrat issue. They all need to learn this lesson. It doesn't matter who is running against them, if they voted for this gun law, whoever is running against them needs your vote even if you don't like them. And I hope the anti-frackers, and the ignored victims of Sandy, and anyone else who has a beef with any of these politicians and Cuomo in particular, understand the need to punish him with their vote. The point has to be made that their record has good or bad consequences.

[mike rossi]

Between fracking and gun control his chances for reelection or other office is zero even if he turncoats on either. But the damage is done.

[sits in trees]

Is voting Republican the answer to all our problems, I think they are a major part of the problem. If we get enough people in NY to show their support of gun ownership the politicians will take notice, Democript or Rebloodlican. The numbers of people in favor of gun ownership are stronger than ever in NYS with millions of young folks buying guns and getting into the shooting sports. Gun purchases in our state have been at record levels for years now, Heck i dont know of any younger guy out there that doesn't an own AK or AR today.

Look at states that have a stong gun lobby, their Democrat elected officials would never dare trample on their rights. People form politics and we have to garner these new found numbers of gun owners in NY to tell politicians what they want and not sit there and say, duuhhh vote Republican, duuhhh vote Republican, see where that got us. Sure they will promise you the world and the 2nd ammendment all in one neat little package but you all saw what happened with that didnt ya.

[Doc]

With only one exception, all these guys left a permanent record of their vote on this law. Yes it was primarily a Democrat led and supported bill but there were some Republican votes. And like I said above, it is not a Democrat vs Republican issue. It is an issue of punishing the supporters of this law and rewarding the opposition, regardless of what party they belong to .... plain and simple. Make it clear that they are representing us or they are gone. Get party affiliation out of your voting process and make your decisions based on voting record. So what if you become a "one-issue" voter. That's not a criminal act. But it is a very effective way of getting these people back in line. Make them pay for their voting record!

[mike rossi]

Pope;

I dont have a fundemental problem with bushmaster rifles, but dont you find it interesting the popularity of them with the next genaration of hunters? This is a significant part of the problem. Hunting is evolving away from traditional woodsmanship. This is not sustainable.

[landtracdeerhunter]

A successful politician need only 2 things to achieve their goal. The news media and strong financial backing. A politician will do anything it takes, to achieve this. To hell with, for the good of it's people. Our political process has gone right out the window.

[Doc]

Pope;

I dont have a fundemental problem with bushmaster rifles, but dont you find it interesting the popularity of them with the next genaration of hunters? This is a significant part of the problem. Hunting is evolving away from traditional woodsmanship. This is not sustainable.

What a provocative comment. If I understand your meaning, I would love to see this thought developed into a full-fledged forum topic. It certainly does stir up a note of sympathy with me in terms of the way I personally view hunting/technology.

[JJBat150]

Pope;

This is not sustainable.

Didn't people say the same thing about in-line muzzle loaders?, compound bows?, and of late crossbows?

I agree with you on the AR-15 as a hunting platform; never was my cup of tea and never really took much intrest in them. But I do realize that times are changing, and it's kinda scary that at 42 years old I find myself thinking "Back in the day, we did things different."

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[mike rossi]

Didn't people say the same thing about in-line muzzle loaders?, compound bows?, and of late crossbows?

I agree with you on the AR-15 as a hunting platform; never was my cup of tea and never really took much intrest in them. But I do realize that times are changing, and it's kinda scary that at 42 years old I find myself thinking "Back in the day, we did things different."

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Yes they did say that about those other weopons, and they were right. I am afraid the issue has become deeper than flintlocks vs. scoped in lines, long bows vs. recurves to early compounds to todays compounds. The weopons and other types of gear like, food plots, blinds, motorized conveyences, motion detectors, electronic calls and decoys.are only one aspect of way hunting has evolved.

Seasons are structured differently, including the implementation of youth seasons. There are also antler restrictions in some area and the related rekindled interest in trophy hunting.

A lot of complexity here. I think the litmus test might be if hunting continues to be a life long activity ( a hobby taken up as a child and continued as long as one is able) or if it morphs into an activity which is comparitively short-lived.

If the main objective of hunting becomes that P&Y or B&C, what happens when that climax is reached or the testosterone which fuels ego sinks as it does with age? You cant fall back on small game hunting if it doesnt exist anymore. Deer are what is known as a keystone species. That means they affect the habitat they live in like beaver. The antis are right in saying deer populations will self regulate. But it is only their opinion that they should not be managed to maintain a diverse structure of habitats. Deer hunting also is the most profitable for state wildlife agencies. So deer hunting will be the last to go, along with (as counter-intuitive as it seems) - trapping. Most of you in here are like the majority of hunters and dont really give a rip, I know that. But when you look at sustainability it is a risky course. The acceptance of hunting by the public at large also needs to be considered. Some of the modern trends have never been popular with the public at large who have been accepting of most hunting traditions. Is a growing rift with the public at large sustainable?

Edited February 10, 2013 by mike rossi

[mike rossi]

Sorry, got off topic, Doc, can you start that thread you mentioned and move my posts?

[Doc]

Sorry, got off topic, Doc, can you start that thread you mentioned and move my posts?

I have no problem with things drifting a bit. Usually it means that the original topic has reached its natural end. I kind of like to let these things go where ever they want to go. However, if you want to start a new thread to explore that subject in a bit more depth, go ahead and do so. It sounds like a great topic.

[mike rossi]

Well, that 7.5 hour video thread may get around to something similair because there was testimony about so-called special interest legislation.