So what about Zimmerman?

[jjb4900]

What about if your trying to protect your neighborhood and your on a neighborhood watch, all legal and you have a legal CC permit? Not exactly putting yourself in a situation. Does wanting to protect your neighborhood mean anything and should that be outlawed?

not sure what they teach at neighborhood watch meetings, but I would be shocked if they tell you to arm yourself and pursue any and all suspicious looking people.........especially in NY.

[sits in trees]

but he didn't draw his weapon first and tell the kid to stop, he woulda been better off with that scenario.

perhaps he didn't want to draw his weapon, perhaps he did not have time to draw his weapon.

[sits in trees]

not sure what they teach at neighborhood watch meetings, but I would be shocked if they tell you to arm yourself and pursue any and all suspicious looking people.........especially in NY.

Arming yourself is a right, 2nd amendment, no law broken there. And yes a neighborhood watch person should persue, watch and follow at a distance any suspicious person.

[growalot]

most NORMAL people carry a gun in a "right to carry" state to protect themselves and their families if they are targeted by criminals, they don't go looking to put themselves in that situation...................... with that being said, you can't just be involved in a fight with someone and just pull your gun and shoot them, you have to have the a REASONABLE fear that you're going to die.............from watching the "experts" speak at this trial, Zimmerman had minor injuries.

 

   Then answer me this since...the media manged to ping every stereo type going" "white/Hispanic"...poor young blk kid..ect ect

 

Had this been a white/Hispanic woman how "minor" do you think the "experts" would consider her injuries to justify pulling her gun?

 

Before you say she wouldn't have confronted him...your incorrect..I'm an white woman who doesn't carry a gun and more than once I've confronted men that were following too close or invaded my space at a phone booth...in a parking lot..ect....

I've also seen other woman do the same more than a few times....When one has a gut instinct that something may not be right then it's best to confront it...the REASONABLE thing would have been the kids to walk away but he didn't...he Acted the fool for whom ever he was talking to on the phone

[Dinsdale]

If it was Chicago on any given night and another gangsta wacked him, it wouldn't even make the news.

 

 

 

 

[jjb4900]

Arming yourself is a right, 2nd amendment, no law broken there. And yes a neighborhood watch person should persue, watch and follow at a distance any suspicious person.

no doubt there's 1000's of communities with neighborhood watch organizations made up of sensible people.............and I'm sure many have someone involved who is over the top and everyone else looks at as a nutjob..................if Zimmerman was such a physical mess and couldn't punch his was out of a paperbag, as portrayed by his defense, and his ONLY way of defending himself in any situation was to shoot, he should have stayed in his car...............and I'm sure right about now he's thinking the same thing, his life will be a prison sentence in one way or another once this is all said and done.

[jjb4900]

   Then answer me this since...the media manged to ping every stereo type going" "white/Hispanic"...poor young blk kid..ect ect

 

Had this been a white/Hispanic woman how "minor" do you think the "experts" would consider her injuries to justify pulling her gun?

 

Before you say she wouldn't have confronted him...your incorrect..I'm an white woman who doesn't carry a gun and more than once I've confronted men that were following too close or invaded my space at a phone booth...in a parking lot..ect....

I've also seen other woman do the same more than a few times....When one has a gut instinct that something may not be right then it's best to confront it...the REASONABLE thing would have been the kids to walk away but he didn't...he Acted the fool for whom ever he was talking to on the phone

good point, if a woman or child was being attacked in this manner it would seem much more reasonable to resort to such force.  I agree, women seem to have more "balls" then men in many situations.............unfortunately there's only one person able to tell the story of what or who brought on the physical altercation.

[fasteddie]

If it had been a Black on Black , it would have just been another day in the neighborhood but it was a "white hispanic" . WTH ?

[jjb4900]

It's probably a good idea to make sure that what or why you're getting involved in something is well worth the potential ramifications..........regardless of how this turns out, Zimmerman's life is going to be a disaster from this point forward, financially and emotionally....and for what? I can only imagine what his legal bills are going to be, and they will be the same if he's in jail or not.

[Elmo]

Is it wrong to follow and harass someone, yes.  Is it illegal?  No.  Is it wrong to start punching someone because he was creepy, following you, and started talking to you in a harsh tone?  No.  Is it illegal?  Yes.

 

Whether Zimmerman is found guilty or not, I don't know.  I am not on the jury so I have not heard the whole defense.  The only snippets I've heard are what the bias media is feeding me and that is not pure enough to make a sound decision on this case.  I understand and I've seen first hand how our law system can be flawed but being on the outside looking in on this case, I have no choice but to assume the jury will make the right decision.  Guilty or not.

[Pav2704]

How does an average person pay for the legal bills in situations like these? I always thought that the lawyers worked pro bono in these particular cases and the fact that there name was out in the media was goo enough.

[Elmo]

A lot donations came in to pay for the defense for both ends.

[jjb4900]

How does an average person pay for the legal bills in situations like these? I always thought that the lawyers worked pro bono in these particular cases and the fact that there name was out in the media was goo enough.

There have to be some fees, why else would his friend have written the book about the incident to help pay for legal fees? and even if he's acquitted, the family will file a wrongful death suit and that will fall on Zimmerman if they win..............look at O.J. Simpson, he was acquitted, but the family still won a wrongful death suit to the tune of a few million dollars.....makes little sense, but that's what happens.

[Pav2704]

Yes, but OJ Simpson obviously had money at the time. I doubt that Zimmerman has any money or real assets? Does he even own a house?

[jjb4900]

What happens if the new website doesn't bring in enough funds for both George's living expenses and the costs of litigation? His lawyers can apply to the court to have him declared indigent, and the state will have to pick up the costs of litigation (which are different than legal fees.) Those fees could easily run in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. 

[jjb4900]

Yes, but OJ Simpson obviously had money at the time. I doubt that Zimmerman has any money or real assets? Does he even own a house?

I don't think it's based on a person's assets, but what the life of the deceased person is worth. For instance, if he had killed a million dollar a year doctor, they look at it as how much financial loss is the family looking at because of his death.

[Pav2704]

Right, but that doesn't mean that he has the money or assets to pay in a civil lawsuit.

[Elmo]

Zimmerman's father was an ex-judge or something like that. They're not broke.

[jjb4900]

Right, but that doesn't mean that he has the money or assets to pay in a civil lawsuit.

yes, but his assets, if he has any will go first, and then they'll go after his income....as little as they can get at a time..................any lawyers want to confirm this? I assume it's like an award in a divorce, you can claim you're broke, but they will garnish your wages to get some sort of payment........if I'm not mistaken, Zimmerman at first claimed he was broke and misrepresented his financial situation because of the funds that had been set up.

Edited July 13, 2013 by jjb4900

[SteveB]

What happens if the new website doesn't bring in enough funds for both George's living expenses and the costs of litigation? His lawyers can apply to the court to have him declared indigent, and the state will have to pick up the costs of litigation (which are different than legal fees.) Those fees could easily run in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. 

 

 

Good - I hope it happens. The least that the state should do for even bringing charges in this case.

[jjb4900]

Good - I hope it happens. The least that the state should do for even bringing charges in this case.

oddly enough, the State never wanted to charge him, but they were pressured to do so...........I don't think this was ever brought out in trial...but with that being said, I can't imagine any parent accepting that.

Edited July 13, 2013 by jjb4900

[ny hunter]

I might be wrong here and I don't want to start an argument but,black or not the kid was not doing a damn thing wrong!!!!!he was walking and talking on the phone.Zimmerman brought this all on his self and there is a kid dead.I hope they throw the book at this idiot.I feel he should be in jail.

[greybeard]

Like I reported earlier, I don't care about the case, but I do like watching some reports.

 

The other day, I did what I do during elections. I go back and forth from MSNBC to FOX. It's funny to hear the different takes. It gives me a better look at both sides of the case.

It amuses me to watch both extremes on different  issues.

[SteveB]

The "book" you want to throw has no laws that he broke in defending himself.

In jail for what specific charge that can be proven beyond reasonable doubt with factual evidence?

[ny hunter]

I think he brought this all on himself.And like i said a kid is dead.I don't feel this guy should walk away scott free.