Elmo Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 I like the "too afraid to pull of the shot". Why would I be afraid? I'm not the one getting shot at. This has nothing to do with bravery. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asav2013 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Hahahaha Jeremy, we kill 50-80 coyotes a year , go look at,the coyote section ya can hear.more all ya want , pictures to prove it, my.uncle shot him running with 5 dogs 50 yards behind the coyote , " when the dogs are 50 yards or.closer unless a yotes real wiped there haulin balls," my.uncle benched off.his knee caught the coyote right in, spine just above.his tail sat him down,right there, dogs surrounded him and a 22 was used to finish him off, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksnBroads Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 May have been a bad choice on my part to take "the" shot. But I had a good feeling about it saw where the deer was going knew what was beyond my target and for the record I only fired 1 shot. Not like I opened up a war zone on it. And the deer was hit and would have come home with me if the other people I was hunting with we're decent sportsman. Instead the guy that saw her first blew her apart. Wasted any chance of good meat with a 300 weather by from 10 yards away when all he had to do is walk over and cut the throat. She wasn't going to run off. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asav2013 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I didn't mean afraid as in bravery , as afraid your gonna.miss or.make a bad shot, if you dont have the confidence or skill to make the shot that's fine, but don't judge some one who can and does, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Seasons Posted September 17, 2013 Author Share Posted September 17, 2013 Although I don't agree with the unethical shooting displayed on this thread, no one is egging you on, you made a blanket statement that displayed your distaste with gun hunters. He probably just wanted to clarify the meaning of that statement before anyone jumped to conclusions. Now you're just backtracking realizing what a fool you made of yourself. Lets not even bring up you and ethics in the same sentence, I have a few references I'd not like to have to dig up. I'm sure you know which ones. X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems post it up man. I'm sure you're once again referencing what my neighbor did as something unethical I have done. But yeah... I'm the one destroying deer and not using the meat right? what a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Seasons Posted September 17, 2013 Author Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) 200 yards running ? That's a chip shot, IV personally seen multiple coyotes shot at 3-353-360-480 yards full out bookin it through fields, only done it once myself as there hard to hit usually keep shootin and ya can compensate, , dont be a hater on gun hunters just because you can't pull off the shot or are afraid to , typical douchebag a yote and a deer are different creatures. A poor shot at a yote is far more likely to kill than a poor shot at a deer. But thanks for name calling, you've shown your true colors. I'm a gun hunter too bud. I've shot some real nice deer with my browning. I do not shoot at SPRINTING (go back and read his post) deer at 200 yards. It's not a matter of skill. it's odds, safety and me not wanting to wound the animal. keep shootin' and you can compensate? I've missed once my very first year gun hunting at 16. Since I've only ever needed one shot. That's skill, not hoping to hit by unloading your gun. well let me ask the guys down on running shots a question. You have a deer standing at your self imposed renge limit, what ever that is. Lets say you are practiced and confident to 100.200 or 300 yards. have a great steady rest and feel great about putting the deer in the cross hairs. You shoot and the deer takes off running. What is your next move? interesting question. Generally in the areas I hunt (hardwoods or thick stuff) I do not get another shot. In a field, you can generally tell when an animals been hit, but if you get a safe followup shot then there's not a big deal with another shot. Once a deer is hit imo, there is no unethical shot. Unsafe shots? Yes...unethical...No. If I think I hit it, I'm plugging away until I hear click click click click click click...click click click...lol. agreed Hahahaha Jeremy, we kill 50-80 coyotes a year , go look at,the coyote section ya can hear.more all ya want , pictures to prove it, my.uncle shot him running with 5 dogs 50 yards behind the coyote , " when the dogs are 50 yards or.closer unless a yotes real wiped there haulin balls," my.uncle benched off.his knee caught the coyote right in, spine just above.his tail sat him down,right there, dogs surrounded him and a 22 was used to finish him off, your english is fantastic Edited September 17, 2013 by Belo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culvercreek hunt club Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 interesting question. Generally in the areas I hunt (hardwoods or thick stuff) I do not get another shot. In a field, you can generally tell when an animals been hit, but if you get a safe followup shot then there's not a big deal with another shot. "Generally". But not every time. so if one doesn't see a sign it was hit right after the first shot, should they take the second once it starts moving? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Seasons Posted September 17, 2013 Author Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) "Generally". But not every time. so if one doesn't see a sign it was hit right after the first shot, should they take the second once it starts moving? I hate the weasel answer I'm about to give, but I think it depends. How fast is the deer moving, do you have to shoot through sapplings/trees/brush, how much time do you have to calm and recoup from your first shot to take another shot (several hundreds yards of open field) are you in a stand shooting free or shooting from a bipod or laying prone? I'm not against taking tough shots if the circumstances are right. I'm against just flailing away at running deer. I'm not sure if you're trying to bait me, discussing the subject because it's an interesting one or what... Edited September 17, 2013 by Belo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culvercreek hunt club Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I am not baiting you. It is a tough question especially for anyone that is opposed to taking running shots. Those same questions you posed for the second follow up shot on a deer we aren't sure we hit could be asked about that very first shot at a running deer as well. About 10 years ago I was working out of town and ended up with one weekend to hunt. A buddy invited me to his farm because I had a doe tag for that area and he had several does making daily trips to an isolated alfalfa field. As we walked up the access trail we saw the back of a deer walking across the field at about 125 yards. In about 30 yards it would be out of the draw in the middle of the field. He had me quickly get to the end of the access trail. I was set and when the deer cleared the swale it lifted its head and it had really great antlers. I shot first and the deer showed no signs of being hit. The two of us unloaded our 1187's and the deer ran back into the swale area of the field and out of sight. No signs ever of being hit. We circled the entire field to look for tracks of blood. Nothing. We went the the middle were we last saw the deer and there it was laying. One shot. Double lung. Slug was under the skin on the off side shoulder It was a Barnes expander bullet shot out of my Federals. Or was it his? He was shooting the same Roy da as me and we didn't know it. I asked if he would mount it and when he said yes I let him tag it. We have no idea who got it but it is a big main frame 8 with matching long drop tines on both sides. It is mounted with a picture of the two of us with the buck. Worked out well for us but could have worked out poorly too I guess. I had practiced during the summer. Had made longer shots on moving game and so has he. I don't really think there is a wrong or right answer but I can't agree with a look down the nose at someone who feels confident because of experience and practice in taking one of those shots. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doewhacker Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Sounds like Belo has a classic case of "its not the way I would do it so its wrong", very common in this day and age of hunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Seasons Posted September 17, 2013 Author Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) Sounds like Belo has a classic case of "its not the way I would do it so its wrong", very common in this day and age of hunting. If that's how you interpreted it, then sorry. There is nothing illegal about it, I simply just question the ethics and safety of it, and again it depends on the situation of the running deer. However, I must say I'm astounded with the number of people ok with shooting at SPRINTING deer at 200 yards. Maybe some of you should retake your hunter safety course, or perhaps it's a case of "i don't like belo so i'm just going to take whatever side he's not on, or if I'm on his side I wont back him up". Edited September 17, 2013 by Belo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culvercreek hunt club Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Now hold on a minute, Belo. so now you are questioning the ethics and safety of it? why would you assume a 200 yard shot is unsafe? the fact the target is moving has nothing to do with it if the same safety rules are observed on the moving target as with a standing one. Not to bust your stones but It sure comes across like you life and hunting mentality is up on a pedestal higher than a tree stand..lol. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Just to clarify, with those who are confident that they can hit a sprinting deer at 200+ yards as their initial shot. Do you guy mean simply hitting the deer or are you saying you can hit the 8" target (that is the lung/heart area) every time? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doewhacker Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Hunting ethics are a personal thing left up to the hunter, which is why there aren't a longer list of rules. Each one of us has to decide what is ethical or not for ourselves. It comes down to a simple mantra, just hunt. You do it your way and leave others to do it their way even if you don't agree with them or would never dream of trying it their way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doewhacker Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Just to clarify, with those who are confident that they can hit a sprinting deer at 200+ yards as their initial shot. Do you guy mean simply hitting the deer or are you saying you can hit the 8" target (that is the lung/heart area) every time? Not this guy, inside 75 with a slug gun and open sights for sure other than that forget it I'm not trying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Seasons Posted September 17, 2013 Author Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) Now hold on a minute, Belo. so now you are questioning the ethics and safety of it? why would you assume a 200 yard shot is unsafe? the fact the target is moving has nothing to do with it if the same safety rules are observed on the moving target as with a standing one. Not to bust your stones but It sure comes across like you life and hunting mentality is up on a pedestal higher than a tree stand..lol. I'm not the first person in this thread to mention safety. For the 3rd and final time it's all case dependent. If you know your land and area and are confident that firiing multiple shots at a running deer will not result in any stray bullets hitting a building or god forbid another person then safety is not the problem. If you're on public land or in an area surrounded by other land owners (and especially if rifle hunting) then flailing away is a little dangerous in my opinion. Do you disagree? Again, I'm not sure why it appears you're condoning this other than that you don't like me. Edited September 17, 2013 by Belo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culvercreek hunt club Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) I am not condoning anything. I think safety has to be first and foremost in any hunting situation. I just like to understand where other hunters "lines" are and how they arrive at them. But you can't really help yourself in your comments...lol. your last post was great right up until the end. It is almost like you can't help but to include a negative qualifier. "Jeeze honey you look great, that red dress doesn't make you look nearly as fat as the blue one" "If you're on public land or in an area surrounded by other land owners (and especially if rifle hunting) then flailing away is a little dangerous in my opinion. Do you disagree?" to start you view multiple shots are moving targets as "flailing away" and will be unsafe if you are on property that is public land or land surrounded by other landowners. I see it a bit differently. I certainly can see shots like that being unsafe but I am willing to bet the person doing it would still be unsafe with the one standing still as well. a safe backdrop is still a safe backdrop and I am sure when you move into an area, like many of us, the first thing you do is study the surroundings. I don't have to hunt a property for long or have much prior experience to understand the hazards and no shot areas. I haven't shot anyone and I hardly ever make anyone hit the deck from stray shots. I don't think we can put enough emphasis on safety but as important as that is I think it is also important NOT to paint any general scenario as unethical or unsafe. Edited September 17, 2013 by Culvercreek hunt club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phade Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I will agree a 200 yd shot on a standing deer versus the running deer is the same safety-wise. It's the land and conditions that dictate that, not the deer. If the deer wasn't there, the shot would still either be safe or unsafe. Not really sure what the like vs. not like thing is all about. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Seasons Posted September 17, 2013 Author Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) I am not condoning anything. I think safety has to be first and foremost in any hunting situation. I just like to understand where other hunters "lines" are and how they arrive at them. But you can't really help yourself in your comments...lol. your last post was great right up until the end. It is almost like you can't help but to include a negative qualifier. "Jeeze honey you look great, that red dress doesn't make you look nearly as fat as the blue one" "If you're on public land or in an area surrounded by other land owners (and especially if rifle hunting) then flailing away is a little dangerous in my opinion. Do you disagree?" to start you view multiple shots are moving targets as "flailing away" and will be unsafe if you are on property that is public land or land surrounded by other landowners. I see it a bit differently. I certainly can see shots like that being unsafe but I am willing to bet the person doing it would still be unsafe with the one standing still as well. a safe backdrop is still a safe backdrop and I am sure when you move into an area, like many of us, the first thing you do is study the surroundings. I don't have to hunt a property for long or have much prior experience to understand the hazards and no shot areas. I haven't shot anyone and I hardly ever make anyone hit the deck from stray shots. I don't think we can put enough emphasis on safety but as important as that is I think it is also important NOT to paint any general scenario as unethical or unsafe. what was my negative qualifier? to this day i've never given a single personal attack, although i've received many. Just trying to figure out your stance. back on topic, I do not view multiple shots as flailing away, but I believe that many times multiple shots (really 3 or more) is someone shooting a very low percentage shot at a running deer and possibly doing nothing but wasting money or meat. 2 shots is generally not a big deal. And when I'm sitting during gun and hear the occasional 3 or 4 shot bursts, followed sometimes by another 3 or 4 I can't help but picture 2 guys or more in a field "flailing away". There are times (like in your case) that it may be perfectly safe and ethical, but I would venture to guess more often then not the first few shots should have probably never occurred. It's all just my take. I'm not saying I am right or that other hunters are wrong. this is a forum. we discuss. many things we discuss are controversial. if they were not the site would be kind of boring would it I will agree a 200 yd shot on a standing deer versus the running deer is the same safety-wise. It's the land and conditions that dictate that, not the deer. If the deer wasn't there, the shot would still either be safe or unsafe. Not really sure what the like vs. not like thing is all about. the only thing there, and it's very minor, but as the deer is running, generally you're moving your barrel to line up with the deer. As your target moves, so does your backstop and chances are you're not focusing on that. And again, very minor because if you know your land than it's generally not a safety issue. Edited September 17, 2013 by Belo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culvercreek hunt club Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I guess it was the post you made that sounded great but then you broke out in the "flailing"..lol. I am never going to try an justify something I am not part of or didn't see as ethical of safe and in the same breath without being there I can't say that they aren't. I will agree that there are groups of shots that I know they are so close together, or as we say "pushing each other out fo the barrel" the odds that the person could have even aimed is pretty low. It just bugs me to hear anyone shooting at a running deer is a "slob hunter' or unethical. Heck if we need standing targets to be ethical most of our small game hunting will go away. We had a friend up at camp that was a little quick on the trigger on follow up shots. we had him try the same thing on paper off hand. He is better now...lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Seasons Posted September 17, 2013 Author Share Posted September 17, 2013 re-read. i never called anyone a slob. unethical is always a relative term right? I guess I've just seen my fair share of wounded deer (gun and bow). One forever sticks in my mind. Taking my dogs for a hike late January and came out into a field. The 2 dogs took off after a deer. I quickly realized they were going to catch this monster of a deer who was clearly a buck without his antlers. And of course when they did they hadn't a clue what to do because they'd never caught up to one before. It was then that I saw him running with one front leg swaying in the wind. Saddened me as I assume he was also a trophy buck that year, and for that matter just to see an animal suffer is even worse. It could vary well have been a standing broadside shot that ended up being poor. But I just hate to see deer wounded. We all realize that wounding deer is always possible even with the best shots from the best hunters. But I've said it before in regards to archery. Going into the woods without the knowledge and skill and wounding deer is not ok in my book. I feel stronger about that then any subject we've discussed. I'd love hunter numbers to increase, but not if those hunters do not take the sport serious enough to respect the life of an amazing animal. I'd rather them not be in the woods at all, even if the "drop in license sales" hurts the sport I love so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phade Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) what was my negative qualifier? to this day i've never given a single personal attack, although i've received many. Just trying to figure out your stance. The most asinine thing you've ever said on this forum, right there. You've lobbed grenades just as much as I have or anyone else has on this forum. And, don't bother asking for proof. It's so asinine, I'm not even going to look. I could close my eyes, throw a dart, and hit an example. C'mon, you're better than that. It's one thing to be a giant d!#k, it's a whole 'nother level being a giant d!#k and not knowing it. (saying in general) Edited September 17, 2013 by phade 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy K Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Just curious, from the guys that shoot at a deer over 100 yards while its running . How confident are you that you are going to kill the deer and not just send it off wounded? Not fishing here, a serious question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verminater71 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Just curious, from the guys that shoot at a deer over 100 yards while its running . How confident are you that you are going to kill the deer and not just send it off wounded? Not fishing here, a serious question. very confident, I would never take a shot I wasn't 100% sure of however a guy who only shoots a little and always of a bag, probably should NOT be taking these shots as a kid we started shooting running rabbits front of beagles, then birds, then deer, if you want to learn how to follow through, start bird hunting, if you can consistently nock down birds your on the rite path 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 That's pretty impressive. I can barely keep my crosshairs on a bouncing 8" plate at 200 yards and calculate elevation and wind changes at the same time but I certainly don't practice as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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