nyslowhand Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 If you look at the NYDEC Hunter Safety course outline, marksmanship fundamentals is listed. Other than that, there is no criteria listed for shooting proficiency to pass the course. Oh hell yeah, there should be!! Similar language for the Bow Hunters Ed course completion. Over 50 years ago, I had to bring a personal 22cal or small ga shotgun. Instructors were only looking at handling safety and fundamentals of firearm operation. When I took the Bow Hunters course, I actually had to borrow a recurve bow and shot a bow for the 1st time at end of final session. Pretty sure I didn't even hit the target, but still passed. Common sense dictates that the individual should become proficient with which ever weapon, as I did before actually hunting. Unfortunately, can't legislate around common sense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyantler Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I took my test about 40 years ago in the basement of a bar with dirt floors. The instructors gave us all the answers to the test then had us shoot a couple of rounds in the back yard as all the shloshed drinkers watched from the inside of the tavern above. I remember it like it was yesterday Classic..lol... the 70's were such a different time... how things change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pygmy Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I took the class in 1962. It was in the local rifle/pistol club, which went downstream in the Agnes Flood of 1972. The club had an indoor 50 foot range, and the students all shot heavy barreled .22 target rifles, which I think were Remingtons and belonged to the club. It was the first time I had ever shot a rifle with a peep sight. There was no reguirement as far as hitting the target. I guess the shooting was just to help familiarize the students with handling a firearm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodjr55 Posted April 17, 2014 Author Share Posted April 17, 2014 Well my cousin shot today went 1 for 4 on clay pigeons. Not bad considering it was his first time shooting clays and was a unfamiliar gun. Can't wait for the youth season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philoshop Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Pygmy, probably Mossbergs. Korean War era small arms training rifles. Great shooters with roughly the same weight and balance of the M1 Garands and a lot them came with factory aperture sights. I'm not that old but I've owned several of them over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pygmy Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Pygmy, probably Mossbergs. Korean War era small arms training rifles. Great shooters with roughly the same weight and balance of the M1 Garands and a lot them came with factory aperture sights. I'm not that old but I've owned several of them over the years. I'll probably never know for sure. Everyone associated with the old Addison Rifle & Pistol Club is dead...<<RIP>>... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Seasons Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 shot .22's at my class 18 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papabear Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I teach 6 class a year 3 or them in the CAMP SITE SPORT SHOP in Huntington the next 3 I are in the ISLIP TOWN RANGE at the range they all shoot a 22 I try and get every one to shoot 5 rounds wish I had time for them to shoot more 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbHunterNY Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 i shot a flint lock for mine with an older gentlemen about couple decades ago. for a while they have at all courses taken at the club. we instructed participants and had them shoot 22LR at reactive targets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landtracdeerhunter Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Took my first back in the early 70's. About the only thing I remember was the $its load of guns the instructors brought. Maybe retired military. All the kids were afraid to even touch'em, let alone fire'em, LOL. Know one, that I remember, ever got a chance to fire one, once the fire company left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landtracdeerhunter Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I teach 6 class a year 3 or them in the CAMP SITE SPORT SHOP in Huntington the next 3 I are in the ISLIP TOWN RANGE at the range they all shoot a 22 I try and get every one to shoot 5 rounds wish I had time for them to shoot more I would think every instructor would want to have each student, at least shoot a firearm. Of coarse, maybe these days, some of the instructors are afraid of liability. I honestly can't say, I would want to trust every student with a firearm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbHunterNY Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I would think every instructor would want to have each student, at least shoot a firearm. Of coarse, maybe these days, some of the instructors are afraid of liability. I honestly can't say, I would want to trust every student with a firearm. We had some previous law breakers there. Had to give them a pellet gun to shoot provided by the state. I assume they were planning on bow hunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Track Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Took my 30 years ago, but in a different state. No shooting involved. Class was taught in the evenings at a local community college. Think it was around 7 PM during the fall. Too dark to shoot. They may have had one or two guns for the instructors to demonstrate safe handling techniques. Two years ago, my son and I went for the archery hunting classes. Day two involved 3 shots. You provide the bow and arrows. They also had a tracking class. Someone went out and laid a blood trail and hid a stuffed deer to locate. Instructors checked your stance, release, and observed how safely you handled it the equipment. They offered pointers if someone had difficulty (recommended a couple person to dial back their compounds as they had to do the herculean over-the-head draw) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papabear Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 when I teach a class I will bring at lest 6 to 8 of my own guns to show the class I will go over loading them and how the action's work I also go over black powder how to load shoot and on all guns how to use open sites peep sites and scopes I try to get them to understand all aspects of the gun so when the levee my class they know how the gun operates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyantler Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I have sat in on quite a few new classes and I have to say the fellas doing it today do a great job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Agreed. I recently sat through my sons gun and archery course. They go farther in depth than they did 20 years ago and seem to be more hands on. I am thinking about becoming an instructor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Seasons Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 my wife went to one at palmac high school. they had to track a blood trail. My wife who had tracked some deer with me followed a trail that nobody else saw. Some teen boys were kind of tagging along with her. It led nowhere and when she asked the instructor about it he said they forgot about that one and gave her credit for spotting the small drops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterhill55 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 As a Hunter Safety instructor we shoot every class now, if there is no range we use a lazer gun. This done so we can see how the student handles a gun. This is required but sometimes it can't be down because of available supplies and ranges. Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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