A Song Dedicated to Cuomo from NY Patriots

[fasteddie]

This might not stay here but here goes ...............

 

[Five Seasons]

video editor did a pretty poor job in moviemaker in my opinion. Could have been better.

[Doc]

Where can I get one of those shirts?

[loworange88]

Shirts...

 

http://www.ny2agrassroots.com/donate/#!/~/category/id=9781090&offset=0&sort=normal

 

Edited July 10, 2014 by loworange88

[Five Seasons]

Yes, Moar T-shirts. We need MOAR T-shirts in this 'fight'.

 

is it any different than guys complaining and posting links on the internet?

[Doc]

Cuomo ain't listening.

Look idiot ..... the shirt ain't for convincing Cuomo of anything. No body cares whether he is listening or not .... just in case you are too damn dense to figure it out! For crying out loud, try not to be so intent on stopping any opposition to your buddy that you continue to make a complete ass out of yourself. Your thinly veiled support of this bird became pretty transparent .... a long time ago.

[Jeremy K]

The usual "your way is wrong but i don't have a better way " response from the usual poster.

[Doc]

Lol. Glass of warm milk and a cookie for ya too?

Sorry about coming at you like that, but I definitely think you post for effect. And that effect is to simply piss people off. Well, sometimes it works! It is frustrating to be trying to coerce political activity that could benefit us all and then to have this annoying gnat that has nothing better to do than to try to talk everyone into hopelessness and allowing your friend Cuomo to escape any negative consequences for his actions. We don't need that, the state doesn't need that and country doesn't need that. I don't know if you ever take time to listen to yourself, but your message of "give up and give in" is exactly the wrong thing at the wrong time. I want to see a united front of gun owners exacting retribution on an enemy of the Constitution along with his buddies and you are busy trying to give these guys a free pass by discouraging all resistance. Sure, I take that kind of thing quite personal and can pretty much be counted on to react. It's not a happy thing to me to be drawn into a response such as I gave, but sometimes, things just have to be said.

 

[Mr VJP]

Why is it gun owners in NY always want a united front AFTER an enemy of the Constitution and his buddies get the advantage on the legal front?

 

Why can't anyone ever light a fire under them when they need to unite to PREVENT an unconstitutional law from being passed?

 

There has been too much reaction to, and not nearly enough prevention of, unconstitutional gun laws in NY for some time.  Seems unless the law directly affects certain gun owners, they couldn't care less about other gun owners.  That is not unity.

 

I'm just pointing out an obvious problem here in NY.

 

But I expect now to be insulted and slandered saying I'm trying to demotivate those who now want to get involved and protest.  I'm not saying you shouldn't.  I'm saying it should have been happening a long time ago.  And if you choose to attack me for that, I think it proves my point about unity, perfectly.

 

 

 

[bubba]

it is becoming sad how these 2 bozos are working so hard to hijack every thread and turn it into a debacle. Their agenda should be obvious. Hey belo the lady who did the video is Barbara Laporte a friend of mine.  It gets posted and all you can do is critique the editing. Oh and btw I am in 2 of the pics. If you would like her number, I am sure she would love to get some of your expertise tips to make it better.  I also have shirts hats and Calvins.  let me know I can mail them out.  Eddie  Thanks for posting this. I was going to but figured it would eb gone.  Oh and BTW Ciumo is listening.  

Edited July 11, 2014 by bubba

[growalot]

Why is it that ppl can't post opinions on both sides then have the veiwers read them and gleen what is really pertinent from each to form a discussion instead of angry outbursts?...Not directed at ANY ONE PERSON just something to think about.

 I for one didn't understand the MOAR thing...Was it  for abbreviations for something? or missed spelling correction needed..now that I understand...lol..sorry the video was good IMO but MR. VJP's remarks were/ are valid that can not be denied.

 

 

 

 

 

SP

Edited July 11, 2014 by growalot

[Doc]

Why is it that ppl can't post opinions on both sides then have the veiwers read them and gleen what is really pertinent from each to form a discussion instead of angry outbursts?...Not directed at ANY ONE PERSON just something to think about.

 I for one didn't understand the MOAR thing...Was it  for abbreviations for something? or missed spelling correction needed..now that I understand...lol..sorry the video was good IMO but MR. VJP's remarks were/ are valid that can not be denied.

 

SP

Frankly, I do take it personal when I see a concentrated effort aimed only at upsetting any form of resistance to the Cuomo brigade. There is no excuse for the constant whining and the messages of doom and hopelessness. Those defeated individuals who feel that sense of hopelessness should simply get out of the way of those that are serious about doing something about the situation we are in instead of preaching "give up and give in". And if the passions run high, it is only because we have enough of an uphill fight as it is without these messengers of doom trying to talk gun owning voters and activists into this philosophy of "Do nothing. It's all hopeless". Does this kind of undercurrent of subversion anger me. You're damned right it does. I take this stuff quite seriously, and I am very serious about making at least a valiant effort to try to upset Cuomo and his gang of gun-grabbers. And yes those who would poison the movement by trying to deter political activity are blatently trying to get in the way and are the unwitting dupes of the Cuomo gun grabbers. And yes, I do not intend to quietly let these whiners convince everyone that all is lost and all we can do is be victims. Certainly if they have their way that's exactly the result that will come about. I have no patience with those who sit back doing absolutely nothing and try to discourage those that do actually have a purpose. If the anger shows through occasionally, I am sorry ...... Actually, no I'm not! You have to look at the discussion over many threads and many months to get the full view of what is going on here. There may be things that both of these guys say that I am not exactly in disagreement with, but I can't abide the attitudes of interference that they also harbor. And right now at this time that is a very hot button issue with me, and should be with all gun owners who have any hopes at making Cuomo and his legislator lap-dogs pay for their most recent attack on the Constitution. We can't have these subversives in our ranks that are determined to side track our efforts.

[Mr VJP]

Doc, I have a question for you.  

 

Decades ago, when Albany decided to post a bill to outlaw possession of handguns in NY State by non-residents, making it a FELONY for any law abiding non-resident to bring a handgun into upstate NY to do some target shooting, which was legally owned by him at home, did you get involved in that at the time?

 

If not, how come?

 

Since the law's passage, (it's been on the books for almost 40 years now), did you ever protest the law in all of that time?

 

If not, why not?

 

[growalot]

Doc you show alot of passion in that statement...You gleen different things than I ...I do not see much of it as doom and gloom take no action...I see...listen up! don't wait for things like the safe act to happen...look at what is in play now in regard to what impact it will have on the future.

 

I do recall ppl saying.. nah, no, never happen here ...can't happen here...now look at things...well I said Obama was going to be the down fall of this country...I see things going into play that will change all our lives and grandchildrens lifes for ever..... He does not need to be in office to bring us down...he's looking 5+ moves ahead...playing catch up isn't an option any more...same goes for Coumo...We are a nation of ppl that wear blinders....everything is in the now instead of looking at the moves need in the future...more lets say checker players than chest. We can not continue to elect chest players while we as a nation of ppl sit at a checker board....

 

So More power to you Papist...Mr VJP and anyone else that is saying... look....look now..so we can have a clue as to what to expect and do later...before things get worse....

Edited July 11, 2014 by growalot

[Mr VJP]

Growalot, welcome to the HuntingNY Group W bench.  

 

Father rapers sitting right here next to us.  

 

[philoshop]

I'm in complete agreement here.

Voting doesn't work because the only people who are ever elected are, by nature, politicians, and they all suck, and everyone knows it. Working towards electing anyone is like a dog chasing his tail. It's basically an act of lunacy, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Local, state, or federal.

 

That said, I'm also a man of action. I see a problem and I attack it to find a solution. That;s just part of my nature.

The problem is we have a government (state and federal) that doesn't respect the Constitution. My little part of the solution is to work at booting out these guys, starting at the local and state levels. Yep, I know it won't do any good in the long run because the next guy will be just as bad. Welcome to Democracy.

 

I'm open to other options that involve action, not just thoughts and ideas.

[wdswtr]

Learn from our past mistakes and fight for the future.  The two naysayers who just throw gloom and whine about where were you when..........................   Honestly your point is what?  You want to doom people who are standing up right now and persecute them for not standing up then?  The past we can learn from the future is what can be changed NOW.  Bitching and bantering about what someone did not do way back when sure doesnt help the fight now it only makes for negativity.  Its however is ironic to read the same nonsense from the same guys who have ZERO influential insight on how to fight the current administration, meaning it makes one wonder if this is the same negative banter back when they claim the fight should of started and had zero influence back then as well. Please tell us oh great wise ones where your time machines are located and take us back to start the fight over, or is the past behind us and the future ahead of us and today is the day to stand up and be heard?  The negative responses towards anyone speaking out helps no one but the opposition which seems to me is what you two are.  Yet you guys belittle anyone and everyone,yet have not mentioned what you have done yourself other than whine.  Show us what you got if you are so much wiser in comparrison to your fellow americans that you feel so freely like to mock for standing up to what they believe in now. 

[bubba]

Did you and of you did can we have details please.  

[Doc]

Doc you show alot of passion in that statement...You gleen different things than I ...I do not see much of it as doom and gloom take no action...I see...listen up! don't wait for things like the safe act to happen...look at what is in play now in regard to what impact it will have on the future.

 

I do recall ppl saying.. nah, no, never happen here ...can't happen here...now look at things...well I said Obama was going to be the down fall of this country...I see things going into play that will change all our lives and grandchildrens lifes for ever..... He does not need to be in office to bring us down...he's looking 5+ moves ahead...playing catch up isn't an option any more...same goes for Coumo...We are a nation of ppl that wear blinders....everything is in the now instead of looking at the moves need in the future...more lets say checker players than chest. We can not continue to elect chest players while we as a nation of ppl sit at a checker board....

 

So More power to you Papist...Mr VJP and anyone else that is saying... look....look now..so we can have a clue as to what to expect and do later...before things get worse....

Apparently you have not caught up on all the posts that mock the efforts of people like Bubba and others who are trying to get out the vote and influence gun owners to vote out Cuomo, and others who voted for the safe act. Apparently you have somehow skipped over the mocking replies that have belittled efforts to display "Repeal the Safe Act" signs, and more specifically to this thread, the comments regarding the shirts, the mocking of anti-safe-act rallies, the general discouraging of gunowners to fight back at the polls, or absolutely everything that anyone has ever proposed or talked about that involves legal, political, positive activity. Anything that has ever pertained to attempts to organize and act as a political unit in this election has been met by these two with attempts at discouragement of these efforts. My message is that if you have no interest in political activity, then simply get the hell out of the way and let those that do want change proceed. 

 

I no longer am interested in those who pretend to be some kind of "wiser than thou" prophets. We all know the problems that exist. What we need now are people who have some spine and ideas of how to change those problems, something neither of these two have offered a hint of. We even have one who's only solution is to run away from the problems to another state. We have no time for people telling us that things are so bad that there is no hope of recovery. Negativity is great for those that have no ideas or energy to fight, but for those of us who still have a bit of spirit left, those philosophies are merely in the way and only useful to those we are trying to fight. Those that wish to sit back and feign superiority through mindless criticism and absolutely no positive views, solutions, or actions are a blight on the system and certainly do not need any encouragement. We have way too many of those already, and they are a good part of the situation we find ourselves in today. I suggest you read the entire theme of all of the messages before you sign on to the papist/VJP fan club. We don't need any more people telling us about problems that we already know exist. We need people that are willing to do something about them. Unfortunately that is not what these two individuals are all about.

[eagle rider]

I get the unSAFE Act issue and I understand that our rights were greatly infringed upon by our electorate. But in the perspective of the greater public we only lost something that scares most of them anyway. I'm not saying they are right but they believe what they believe. I have them in my own family and I hear about the same s$&t every holiday dinner and backyard bbq. I cringe every time some lunatic gets his hands on a gun and shoots a bunch of people, awaiting the media backlash. But we are all good upstanding, morale citizens and we still need to be reverent about those murdered.

We are a sportsman forum, and as such the shooting sports are a part of our heritage. Yes the SAFE Act sucks, but it's likely not going anywhere soon. To argue about how much the Governor and our politicos hurt our rights is almost as big a waste of time as yelling at the sky for bad weather. God knows I wouldn't want it to get any worse.

There is no doubt there are a lot of strange things happening at the Federal level as well. I'm gonna guess here and assume we all didn't vote for Obama as well. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. Pretty simple logic my Grandmother taught me me 40 years ago still applies: believe half of what you see and none of what you hear. I'd say you can cut that back by 50% for stuff on the internet.

I'm not gonna buy into Government Contracts to restore internment camps in the desert for enemies of the state. I am gonna buy into we traded 5 of what for 1 of who, wtf?

The real demon in the SAFE Act is the realization that the States (ours and clearly many others) have no means to deal with the criminally mentally ill. We deinstitutionalized them, gave them a bottle of pills and a Medicaid card and pray to Christ they don't do anything horrible. Seriously, is it any big surprise that a gun in West Webster who beat his Grandmother to death with a hammer set a fire and killed volunteer fire fighters who responded to the blaze. His possession of the gun (a Bushmaster) was based on a straw sale purchase. A perfect storm. Why was someone like that ever paroled?

So an antigun Governor, and a Big Government Assembly were going to get behind the SAFE Act some way, some how. Let's stop fooling ourselves to think anything differently. There is no doubt that there will at some point be another tragic event. I think we all need to be reverent when it happens. But the focus has to shift to get the homicidal insane managed since everyone of these mass murders all had significant medical issues.

Sorry for the rant and can we please start talking about hunting again.

[Doc]

Sorry for the rant and can we please start talking about hunting again.

Absolutely, and we have 40 forums on this site as well as numerous sub-forums within some of those that are doing exactly that.

[bubba]

When the safe act and new add ons that will becoming in january if the people in Albany stay talking about hunting will become a thing of the past.  So let me get this straight because people are scared of guns, it is ok to take away our rights?  That thought scares the hell out of me

[eagle rider]

When the safe act and new add ons that will becoming in january if the people in Albany stay talking about hunting will become a thing of the past. So let me get this straight because people are scared of guns, it is ok to take away our rights? That thought scares the hell out of me

You should try to read things more carefully. What I said is there are many opinions out there and the vast public is not going to understand the nuisances between a "military style" semi-auto and your uncles 742. What they know is psychopaths are killing a lot of people with guns. Most of John Q Public, IMO, stops listening right about there. What I also said is that the state doesn't want to deal with the issue of a failed mental health system that they created to save money decades ago. The last part of the point is that we are lower hanging fruit. We are easier to deal with than the scores of mentally sick they know about and the frightening larger number of mental time bombs they don't. I think the safe act has done its thing, and I have not seen or heard of any add on's planned for Jan. But if you know what they are, for real and not more what if's and conspiracy theories share them. My understanding is that other than lower than anticipated assault rifle registration numbers, the Gov got what he wanted, and pretty much beat us in every court we've been to with this. So we've spent millions fighting a loosing battle. Sad but true.

[fasteddie]

For those that come on a thread and complain about politics and then add to the thread , why respond ? Seems a bit hypocritical !

 

Why complain about the politics ! Start your own thread about hunting ..........

[Doc]

What amazes me is the number of people who hunt but don't want to be bothered by the politics that threaten the activity. I know it's all a pain in the neck, but the future of hunting and the tools that we use for hunting are directly tied to politics whether we try to avoid eye-contact with it all or not. It ain't going away even if we refuse to face up to it.

 

I think this forum is a vital part of the site. It's a shame that it has been corrupted by so many non-hunting posts and replies. Perhaps it would be useful if issues that do not pertain to hunting, fishing, trapping and other outdoor activities were weeded out of this forum, since some of those are starting to look like filibustering .... lol. But seriously, any forum based hunting site has to have a political section.