Ozonics - BS? OR GS?

[beachpeaz]

ALL the hunting shows are pimping the heck out of this product.  Is this because it works, or because the company has a lot of money to sponsor all the shows.

 

I have seen (and watched dissapear) dozens of "ozone" type products in the past (not neccessarily all hunting, but nonetheless, ozone producing products).  At the end of the day, they have never done what is advertised and have faded into oblivion.

 

So, I am leaning towards BS on this product (BTW, the "B" is for Bull and the "G" is for Good.  you can fill in the rest).

 

Any opinions out there?   The hardest thing about products like these is it is impossible to prove one way or another.  It is all based in opinion, not facts.  Curious what people are seeing.

Edited September 2, 2014 by beachpeaz

[NFA-ADK]

Junk, but some swear by it.  Not for me. 

[phade]

Everyone I have ever spoken to about this who has ANY ties to within the hunting industry all say different things. Some believe in it hard and fast, some think it is fool's gold, and some are up in the air about it.

 

Normally products like this get pretty comprehensive thumbs up or down when you talk to people behind closed doors. This one bucks that trend because people are all over the board on this product.

 

I don't think I'd want to be around that machine in a ground blind though, just personal preference for my health. Stand wise, I might try it if I had it given to me. Not sure if it is worth the money yet.

 

One constant is that most users believe the deer smell something downwind, as it has a distinct smell. Those who believe in it, say the deer don't booger out of dodge.

Edited September 2, 2014 by phade

[beachpeaz]

Thats my general feeling.  Ozone (O3) is not good for you to breath.  There were, not to many years back, a bunch of "home health" machines like air filters that emitted Ozone.  They have sense been yanked and have lots of law suits.

 

Im not sure, even in a tree stand, if you hunt enough hours I would want to be breathing that.

 

I wasn't sure what peoples experiences were though.

 

Sounds like the latest knick knack to give people falsely inflated confidence.

 

[WNYBuckHunter]

The last one I fell for was the Cough Silencer. I still have it, wanna buy it?

[wooly]

Recent Field and Stream article puts Ozonics up against a drug sniffing dog.

http://www.fieldandstream.com/articles/hunting/2014/07/does-it-work-ozone-scent-control-vs-drug-sniffing-dog

 

Sounds like it works to some degree.

I suppose if you have your own TV show it might be worth it, but I don't think your average deer hunter could justify it's $500 price tag just to kill the same quality of bucks he's been killing all along.

 

 

[njg0621]

_{I don't buy the ozonics gimmic................Then again I don't really even buy scent control clothing!  Even so I spend hundreds of $$ on it and don't go in the woods without everything being scent control.  I know it cuts down on human odor but really enough to spend twice the money on everything? Hunters spend more money on crap every year and we don't really ever even know if the stuff works IMO.  And like I said I am a perfect example! I spend thousands on scent free clothing, scent free boots, scent free gloves, scent free hats, piss, rattling horns, grunt calls, etc!!! Do I know if doe estrus REALLY increased my odds of shooting a buck.. NO! lol But since I can't prove it didn't more than it did I can't take that chance The ozonics thing is just to much though, I can't buy into that one!}

[phade]

Remember, things like this don't need to work long...just enough for a deer or buck to get across your scent cone/stream.

 

Problem is, I don't know if there's anything out there that can prove it with science. Maybe it all adds up, but there's no magic fix-all.

[gjs4]

They cannot cover your tracks in- then again I have friends in and out of the industry that swear by them

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[waterweasle]

I had one for one season, seemed to work since I saw more deer that single year than I have since I hunted this particular spot, its a small spot that I had to occasionally hunt during bad winds due to it being the only spot I had in a residential area, so it was hunt bad wind or don't hunt................... only reason I returned it was I needed the cash, beyond that, beats me

[SteveB]

1. Remember, things like this don't need to work long...just enough for a deer or buck to get across your scent cone/stream.

 

2. Problem is, I don't know if there's anything out there that can prove it with science. Maybe it all adds up, but there's no magic fix-all.

 

1. Like I said - research ozone just a bit. It does need to be in contact with the molecules it is changing for sufficient time.

 

From a discussion on Bowsite:

I teach about all things air pollution and have been doing research on ambient ozone for more years than I care to admit. As has been previously said, ozone is very reactive in the atmosphere and wouldn't stick around long enough at high concentrations to do much to the "human smell cloud". Also, the turbulence within the boundary would pretty much negate the gravitational settling of ozone (molecular weight, MW = 48) and "air" molecules (MW = 30),and as a further note human odor molecules are much, much heavier.

 

 In an open area like above your head in a treestand, it is not possible for high enough non dangerous concentrations to have the exposure time needed to work.

 

2. It could all be measured in a lab with variables controlled and changed one at a time to determine if it is changing the molecular structure of the target scent molecules as Ozonics claims. If it worked as they claim, they would commission these tests and publish the results. It would eliminate all doubt and send sales thru the roof.

[Kujo48]

Saw ozonics tested with a dog looking for a guy hiding in a box... Took the dog a little longer to find him...but he still found him..

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[AaronBlaine]

personally with all the new products that are getting slammed in your face on the hunting shows etc please try and remember this is hunting.  Its an outdoor sport.  Its an age old natural tradition and I believe we should at least try and keep it that way.  You can drag whatever crap you want out into the woods if you don't mind carrying it however when is enough enough!? If hunting deer was easy it wouldn't be cool!  I feel you gotta work for anything you respect in life and its the same with deer hunting.  Putting in the time and effort and relying more on your natural hunting abilities and working to improve upon them is what hunting is all about.  You can buy every gizmo and gadget they sell and run around in the woods with a hat that sprinkles deer urine every 30 min or a terminator 3000 toxic gas emitting deer destroyer hydro electric lazer guided bamby buster for all I care!  I prefer to keep it natural.  Stick to the basics and for the love of god if your that concerned about getting a deer save the money and spend more time in the woods honing your natural abilities as a hunter.  That's what its all about.  You learn your weaknesses, and your strengths, and improve upon them every time you get out there.  So the next time you start worrying about the ozone do us all a favor and recycle!

[phade]

personally with all the new products that are getting slammed in your face on the hunting shows etc please try and remember this is hunting.  Its an outdoor sport.  Its an age old natural tradition and I believe we should at least try and keep it that way.  You can drag whatever crap you want out into the woods if you don't mind carrying it however when is enough enough!? If hunting deer was easy it wouldn't be cool!  I feel you gotta work for anything you respect in life and its the same with deer hunting.  Putting in the time and effort and relying more on your natural hunting abilities and working to improve upon them is what hunting is all about.  You can buy every gizmo and gadget they sell and run around in the woods with a hat that sprinkles deer urine every 30 min or a terminator 3000 toxic gas emitting deer destroyer hydro electric lazer guided bamby buster for all I care!  I prefer to keep it natural.  Stick to the basics and for the love of god if your that concerned about getting a deer save the money and spend more time in the woods honing your natural abilities as a hunter.  That's what its all about.  You learn your weaknesses, and your strengths, and improve upon them every time you get out there.  So the next time you start worrying about the ozone do us all a favor and recycle!

 

Change is a constant. The majority of participants or users or consumers have changed habits within their hobbies, passions, or needs. Each group has a small % that wants to keep things the "way" they were. Hunting is no different. The majority of hunters today are greatly different than they were in the 80s/90s. Those in the 80s/90s were largely different than those in the 50s-70s, and so on and so forth. People like you have been saying the same thing for generations about everything...hunting, fishing, math (calculators and computers), writing (cursive), books (e-books).

 

The good news is that hunting can be what that participant wants it to be for the most part. That's actually great news. The tough pill to swallow is that most hunters constantly evolve with the tools, or methods, or management, etc. Just like everything else in the world. I choose to evolve for the most part. I have limited free time and ever increasing demands on that free time, like the majority of hunters. It's not about making it easier. It's about making hunting more of a plausible passion/escape/hobby.

 

Let's face it, I'd love to be able to spend the week or weekend up at camp in the big woods tracking down Mr. Mossy Horns in fresh tracking snow. The reality is, that stuff doesn't fly well in a two-wage earner household with kids. Mama isn't back at the house keeping the house clean and the kids in line like it was a few generations ago. Reality for me is potentially getting away for a few days of out of state hunting and having to take time off of work (vacation time) just to have more than two days in a row to hunt. Even at that, I'm at home each night, maybe even taking the day off to pick up a kid from daycare, etc.  

 

I hear people decry all the time that hunting isn't what it was. Well, duh. Of course, we're not who we were compared to even a few decades ago. Hunting aspects change because the society changes for the most part. If you have the luxury or desire to stick with the old ways, then more power to you. But, don't hold it over others heads because you simply might be missing the forest for the trees.

 

As to your statement in bold, I think that comes off a little short-sighted. Most people work hard at their jobs and families so they can get out and do things like deer hunting. You also have to keep things in perspective. Someone who spends a ton of time in the woods and uses little gadgetry vs someone who works hard to put food on the table and excel career-wise to better his or her life and family's life and then values the small amount of time he or she does have in the woods and chooses to use a trail cam or ozonics, or what have you to make the most of it. Quite frankly, I don't think either person is wrong or disrespectful and shouldn't be railed against by people who say they aren't "true" hunters of some sort. If anything, I'd say the latter has a better perspective on life. They respect deer hunting and make their families lives better.

Edited September 3, 2014 by phade

[Five Seasons]

usually the publicity with these things are more related to marketing. I'm sure it provides some benefits, but my questions would be if the benefits are worth the price and hassle and even more so the hunter is still washing and practicing scent control, so would it have mattered?

[beachpeaz]

Change is a constant. The majority of participants or users or consumers have changed habits within their hobbies, passions, or needs. Each group has a small % that wants to keep things the "way" they were. Hunting is no different. The majority of hunters today are greatly different than they were in the 80s/90s. Those in the 80s/90s were largely different than those in the 50s-70s, and so on and so forth. People like you have been saying the same thing for generations about everything...hunting, fishing, math (calculators and computers), writing (cursive), books (e-books).

 

The good news is that hunting can be what that participant wants it to be for the most part. That's actually great news. The tough pill to swallow is that most hunters constantly evolve with the tools, or methods, or management, etc. Just like everything else in the world. I choose to evolve for the most part. I have limited free time and ever increasing demands on that free time, like the majority of hunters. It's not about making it easier. It's about making hunting more of a plausible passion/escape/hobby.

 

Let's face it, I'd love to be able to spend the week or weekend up at camp in the big woods tracking down Mr. Mossy Horns in fresh tracking snow. The reality is, that stuff doesn't fly well in a two-wage earner household with kids. Mama isn't back at the house keeping the house clean and the kids in line like it was a few generations ago. Reality for me is potentially getting away for a few days of out of state hunting and having to take time off of work (vacation time) just to have more than two days in a row to hunt. Even at that, I'm at home each night, maybe even taking the day off to pick up a kid from daycare, etc.  

 

I hear people decry all the time that hunting isn't what it was. Well, duh. Of course, we're not who we were compared to even a few decades ago. Hunting aspects change because the society changes for the most part. If you have the luxury or desire to stick with the old ways, then more power to you. But, don't hold it over others heads because you simply might be missing the forest for the trees.

 

As to your statement in bold, I think that comes off a little short-sighted. Most people work hard at their jobs and families so they can get out and do things like deer hunting. You also have to keep things in perspective. Someone who spends a ton of time in the woods and uses little gadgetry vs someone who works hard to put food on the table and excel career-wise to better his or her life and family's life and then values the small amount of time he or she does have in the woods and chooses to use a trail cam or ozonics, or what have you to make the most of it. Quite frankly, I don't think either person is wrong or disrespectful and shouldn't be railed against by people who say they aren't "true" hunters of some sort. If anything, I'd say the latter has a better perspective on life. They respect deer hunting and make their families lives better.

 

You are right, change is constant, in the human world.  For a deer though, nothing changes.  A deer has been a deer for hundreds if not thousands of years.  Despite all the gimicks in the world to hunt them better, i believe there is actually a higher population of deer today, than in the past when our granddads would throw on their red plaid wool hunting outfit, light up a cig or cigar, sit in a home made "tree stand" made from a pallet and shoot that first 4-point that would walk by.  lol.  Now Granddad has a carbon technology, scent filtered real tree camo hunting suit, a tree fort equipped with a heater and a TV, 5 grunt calls, rattling horns, doe piss, a gps, cell phone app to tell him when the dear will be at their peak, etc......AND HE SHOOTS THE SAME 4-POINT that walks by....lmao

 

You have got to love the fact that "marketing" as Belo mentioned sucks our money out of our pockets the way it does.  Someone is doing a damn good job at that.

 

[phade]

You are right, change is constant, in the human world.  For a deer though, nothing changes.  A deer has been a deer for hundreds if not thousands of years.  Despite all the gimicks in the world to hunt them better, i believe there is actually a higher population of deer today, than in the past when our granddads would throw on their red plaid wool hunting outfit, light up a cig or cigar, sit in a home made "tree stand" made from a pallet and shoot that first 4-point that would walk by.  lol.  Now Granddad has a carbon technology, scent filtered real tree camo hunting suit, a tree fort equipped with a heater and a TV, 5 grunt calls, rattling horns, doe piss, a gps, cell phone app to tell him when the dear will be at their peak, etc......AND HE SHOOTS THE SAME 4-POINT that walks by....lmao

 

You have got to love the fact that "marketing" as Belo mentioned sucks our money out of our pockets the way it does.  Someone is doing a damn good job at that.

 

 

Yes, but also remember, that same four point was shot in probably 1/3 of the available time to hunt as the older generations had. The average amount of hunting time per hunter has gone down steadily. While it may be the same four point buck, it being done in less available time is a factor for most hunters.

Edited September 3, 2014 by phade

[Fantail]

Yet another reason why I stopped watching these so called 'hunting shows'. Bunch of clowns trying to market allot of nonsense convincing yoooooooooooooouu - that you'll just never be a success without it. I got a question for those who get suckered into buying all the toys - how does it feel to pay to have your skills drained away from you?

I don't care if it works or not, seems like another gimic destined for the landfills. Not for me, they got a better chance of trying to poke butter up a wild cats @ss, with a hot spoon. 

[Five Seasons]

_{I don't buy the ozonics gimmic................Then again I don't really even buy scent control clothing! Even so I spend hundreds of $$ on it and don't go in the woods without everything being scent control. I know it cuts down on human odor but really enough to spend twice the money on everything? Hunters spend more money on crap every year and we don't really ever even know if the stuff works IMO. And like I said I am a perfect example! I spend thousands on scent free clothing, scent free boots, scent free gloves, scent free hats, piss, rattling horns, grunt calls, etc!!! Do I know if doe estrus REALLY increased my odds of shooting a buck.. NO! lol But since I can't prove it didn't more than it did I can't take that chance The ozonics thing is just to much though, I can't buy into that one!}

For every 7 or so "gimmicks" or tools I think I need or want, 1 has always panned out. Even website reviews or word or mouth doesn't seems to work. Some stuff really helps with comfort and success and others don't. There's also always the placebo effect. With some expensive cool hunting gear, the newest gun or bow you might feel not confident taking the shot...

[Five Seasons]

You are right, change is constant, in the human world. For a deer though, nothing changes. A deer has been a deer for hundreds if not thousands of years.

I'll point out though that since urbanization the deer population has exploded. Was like 300k and I think it's something like 3mil. So that statement isn't 100% accurate.

[G-Man]

http://www.ozoneapplications.com/products/Residential/q&a_ozone.htm ozone does work but can you keep it on you in a tree with wind? not effective as it seems i think.. in a ground blind sure.. open air with currents..i'm not convinced...

[beachpeaz]

I'll point out though that since urbanization the deer population has exploded. Was like 300k and I think it's something like 3mil. So that statement isn't 100% accurate.

 

uhh....read my very next sentence!   lol.  I said that the population has increased.  Are you off your meds again?

[AaronBlaine]

Not for me, they got a better chance of trying to poke butter up a wild cats @ss, with a hot spoon. 

 

lmao that's great!