Baiting for deer

[ants]

Just wondering. Does a foot plot stop being a food plot over time? If someone plants a perennial crop that they abandon, and the crop keeps coming up year after year, does that eventually  become a "natural food source ?

[jrm]

Just wondering. Does a foot plot stop being a food plot over time? If someone plants a perennial crop that they abandon, and the crop keeps coming up year after year, does that eventually  become a "natural food source ?

 

Interesting question.

 

There is a training "fad" in the horse world called "Natural Horsemanship." I won't bore you with the details. Bottom line is the irony - whether you subscribe to the techniques of "natural horsemanship" or not, just about everyone will admit that there is nothing "natural" about putting a human on the back of a horse.

 

Same thing with "wild" horses in America - there is no such thing. Horses went extinct in the Americas prior to colonization. There are only feral horses.

 

Same thing here. While there are "natural" areas, they are created and/or managed by humans. At best we can call them "feral" areas. Even left untouched, they are affected by the surrounding area. Development of the human habitat has permanently altered the landscape. Our presence has had some sort of effect on the land since it was first settled.

 

So "natural" really depends on where you want to draw the line.

[Five Seasons]

Just wondering. Does a foot plot stop being a food plot over time? If someone plants a perennial crop that they abandon, and the crop keeps coming up year after year, does that eventually  become a "natural food source ?

 

legally if it "grows". Meaning it needs water, soil and sun, and isn't just lying there already picked from the vine than you're legal.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Damn, Johnny Appleseed was a baiter.

[ants]

legally if it "grows". Meaning it needs water, soil and sun, and isn't just lying there already picked from the vine than you're legal.

 

 

I have spots where plots were planted, years ago, and then pretty much abandoned. These areas went back to mostly golden rod but still have patches of grasses and clover, that deer come into. Are these still considered "food plots" by the anti food plot people? What about an old overgrown, long abandoned   apple orchard, that was originally planted to attract and hold deer. Most trees are dead but quite a few still bare fruit that deer come into. Food plot or natural food source?? Is there a time limit??

[thphm]

Just wondering. Does a foot plot stop being a food plot over time? If someone plants a perennial crop that they abandon, and the crop keeps coming up year after year, does that eventually  become a "natural food source ?

 

By me and not sure about other areas, If it is not maintained it goes wild as with ferns, sticker bushes and young tree growth, now this is in wooded areas not in or on farm type land.

[BackWoods Hunter]

We're all out there to shoot a deer. Baiting helps get the deer in your area. Why wouldn't you want to increase your chances of taking one home? Makes no sense to me not to.

If you like to hunt in the big woods, well you can do that too if you want.

What's the problem here?

[thphm]

BAITING IS ILLEGAL IN NEW YORK STATE that's why.

[thphm]

And An ECON officer will give you a lot of greif if caught. As I said in the beginning shooting an animal over Bait is Shooting Not Hunting.

You young fellows should just learn how to hunt, you just might enjoy it.

[Dom]

I am sure this has been veiwed allready but in some areas I can see baiting/feeding would be a good idea.Not exactly hunting but as long as the deer harvasted are going to be used for human consumption than why not.We the human population are building and taking their habbitat from them and alot of folks are complaining about the population of deer they are destroying our garden's or our automobiles.Let's face it the more we build the farther we push these animals .where I live and hunt Baiting is not needed and I do not bait or want to

[BackWoods Hunter]

BAITING IS ILLEGAL IN NEW YORK STATE that's why.

This thread isn't about weather it's legal or not. Try to stay on topic.

[BackWoods Hunter]

As I said in the beginning shooting an animal over Bait is Shooting Not Hunting.

You young fellows should just learn how to hunt, you just might enjoy it.

Have you hunted over bait before? Get ready for it, I'm about to take a shot at your credibility. Edited September 16, 2014 by BackWoods Hunter

[thphm]

If you read in the start of this post I Never Did And I Never will It is Shooting an animial Not Hunting an animial, If you are  in that much in need of food do as you please.

Adios Amigos .

[ants]

We're all out there to shoot a deer. Baiting helps get the deer in your area. Why wouldn't you want to increase your chances of taking one home? Makes no sense to me not to.

If you like to hunt in the big woods, well you can do that too if you want.

What's the problem here?

Why not spot them at night and put one between the running lights? Or why not bag one a week or two before or after the season starts? If its not about legal or illegal…..stack em up!!!

[BackWoods Hunter]

Yeah you got me there, I didn't read them all, I should have.

Since you've never hunted over one, I guess you'll have to take my word for it, you don't just show up and shoot. I've hunted over them several times and come away without seeing one deer. It's not the way a lot of folks make it sound.

The food plots and feeders simply bring deer to the area more often. They don't always show up. And they definitely don't always show up at the same time everyday, at least not where I was hunting.

[BackWoods Hunter]

Why not spot them at night and put one between the running lights? Or why not bag one a week or two before or after the season starts? If its not about legal or illegal…..stack em up!!!

I'm sure you were being sarcastic but...

Yeah. That's exactly what I'm saying. If someone's objective is to put a deer in the freezer, then yeah, give yourself any advantage you can.

Should go without saying but I'll say it to be sure, if it's illegal, I'm against it.

[ants]

Yeah you got me there, I didn't read them all, I should have.

Since you've never hunted over one, I guess you'll have to take my word for it, you don't just show up and shoot. I've hunted over them several times and come away without seeing one deer. It's not the way a lot of folks make it sound.

The food plots and feeders simply bring deer to the area more often. They don't always show up. And they definitely don't always show up at the same time everyday, at least not where I was hunting.

Jack Spotting at night or hunting out of season aren't a sure thing either, but they increase your odds and are  still  100% illegal. You might want to just stop now. You have no argument. By the way …don't talk openly about illegally taking deer. You only impress people like you,   SAD>>> But tell the tales the way you want.

[BackWoods Hunter]

I don't hunt illegally. I hunt over bait in a different state where it is legal. That's why my opinion is more valid then those that haven't done it before. Those who haven't done it are speculating whereas I am not.

I am also certainly not trying to impress anyone. Just trying to give folks who aren't in the know the facts.

[ants]

I don't hunt illegally. I hunt over bait in a different state where it is legal. That's why my opinion is more valid then those that haven't done it before. Those who haven't done it are speculating whereas I am not.

I am also certainly not trying to impress anyone. Just trying to give folks who aren't in the know the facts.

Missed the part where you said you hunt over bait in a different state.  So you're against it here in NY?

[BackWoods Hunter]

I'd didn't. I should have though.

I can't say. I'd have to assume it has a lot to do with how well the deer herd is doing and I know extremely little about that.

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[Culvercreek hunt club]

For the record the question in post one was. If legal, would you.

[PREDATE]

As I said in the beginning shooting an animal over Bait is Shooting Not Hunting.

You young fellows should just learn how to hunt, you just might enjoy it.

Sorry old timer but your "written gospel" is not the end all, be all. "Hunting" in it's most primitive form was for nothing more than to provide sustenance regardless of how it was attained.

Answer me this. Is a guy in a tower stand with a 7mm Rem Mag overlooking a 300 acre field a hunter?

Also, just to be clear, baiting in NY has been illegal for some time so most of us "young fellows" have never baited. Ever. So now tell us we're not hunting.

[Five Seasons]

I have spots where plots were planted, years ago, and then pretty much abandoned. These areas went back to mostly golden rod but still have patches of grasses and clover, that deer come into. Are these still considered "food plots" by the anti food plot people? What about an old overgrown, long abandoned apple orchard, that was originally planted to attract and hold deer. Most trees are dead but quite a few still bare fruit that deer come into. Food plot or natural food source?? Is there a time limit??

It doesn't really matter because there are no regulations around food plotting.

Like I said earlier in this thread, I hunted an old small orchard. Probably a dozen or so trees. Planted long ago not for deer. I spent several weekends trimming and clearing. Allowing light to get in and improving the apple output. Also cut a few trees and some bush and planted a 1/8 acre of clover. Call it what you want but those apples have been there and clover is naturally occurring, so if I hunt it because the deer are attracted to it then am I just being a good hunter in my opinion. This was a 5 acre piece of land and I hunted the transition, not the plot.

the first year I hadn't yet done these improvements. Didn't get hardly any deer on the cams. The next year I saw deer like this come in (i have other pics during day and other nice bucks, just too lazy to post right now). Wish I still lived there just to see how much better it would get.

Edited September 17, 2014 by Belo

[phade]

For the record the question in post one was. If legal, would you.

 

For survey/census in summer and post season..I'd use corn or minerals. No doubt.