Is the Sfae Act enforcble on the NY Reservations

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Title pretty much says it all. Anyone know if it is.

[HectorBuckBuster]

I would say no.

[turkeyfeathers]

Don't quote me but i believe you have to be a member of a tribe in order not to abide by it.

[ants]

I assume you mean for Nation members, if so then the answer is…….. HELL NO!!!!!!!

[Culvercreek hunt club]

That is what I meant. Also what I thought. So on a reservation like up near Massena they could bring a truck load of firearms now classified as assault weapons in?

[fasteddie]

I also wonder if they have switched to Cross Bows ....... Hmmmmmmmmmm !

[wooly]

 So on a reservation like up near Massena they could bring a truck load of firearms now classified as assault weapons in?

 

How................

 

That wasn't a question.

Just me brushing up on my native American accent,lol

[HectorBuckBuster]

If the ammo background check part of the Safe Act goes into effect, I can see the Indians setting up Ammo shops.

[fasteddie]

If the ammo background check part of the Safe Act goes into effect, I can see the Indians setting up Ammo shops.

 

Non taxable ammo , at that !

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Non taxable ammo , at that !

Oh they still charge the tax amount, Only they keep it...lol

[moog5050]

Culver

 

As against non-tribal members, the safe act is enforceable.  The State (and Feds) has jurisdiction.  Since the safe act violations are not listed as major crimes under the US Code, as against tribal members, neither the Feds nor State have jurisdiction to enforce the law in Indian Country (which includes reservations).

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Culver

 

As against non-tribal members, the safe act is enforceable.  The State (and Feds) has jurisdiction.  Since the safe act violations are not listed as major crimes under the US Code, as against tribal members, neither the Feds nor State have jurisdiction to enforce the law in Indian Country (which includes reservations).

 So to the ammunition question. If they did sell it on the Res (Not technically NY) a non-tribal member wouldn't have to worry about a background check? Kind of like buying in PA?

[steve863]

How................

 

That wasn't a question.

Just me brushing up on my native American accent,lol

 

 

 

Very good pronunciation Wooly.  I am an expert in native American dialects.  Learned everything I know from listening to the Hekawi indians on reruns of F-Troop.  LOL

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Very good pronunciation Wooly.  I am an expert in native American dialects.  Learned everything I know from listening to the Hekawi indians on reruns of F-Troop.  LOL

weren't they the surviving members of that tribe that got lost all the time. The Fungawee. They always greeted any one they met by saying "We're the Fungawee"

[steve863]

The Hekawi's were brave warriors that were afraid of their own shadows!  

 

F-Troop was a classic show.  They had reruns on everyday when I was a kid.  They surely don't make them like that anymore!

 

 

 

[moog5050]

 So to the ammunition question. If they did sell it on the Res (Not technically NY) a non-tribal member wouldn't have to worry about a background check? Kind of like buying in PA?

 

Not sure about whether a non-tribal member could be charged for buying ammo without the background check.  Under the safe act, is it the responsibility of the seller or buyer to ensure compliance?  For example, sales tax is the responsibility of the buyer, even though the seller collects it.  All depends on the language of the safe act, which I don't know off-hand.  If it says that the buyer must undergo a background check before buying, maybe they could be charged.  If it says that the seller must conduct a background check before selling, then probably not.  As a practical matter, I suspect non-members will get away with it if the tribes sold ammo.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Not sure about whether a non-tribal member could be charged for buying ammo without the background check.  Under the safe act, is it the responsibility of the seller or buyer to ensure compliance?  For example, sales tax is the responsibility of the buyer, even though the seller collects it.  All depends on the language of the safe act, which I don't know off-hand.  If it says that the buyer must undergo a background check before buying, maybe they could be charged.  If it says that the seller must conduct a background check before selling, then probably not.  As a practical matter, I suspect non-members will get away with it if the tribes sold ammo.

Perfectly legal to buy out of state and bring it in. Also totally legal to buy from a private party. (both with no background checks)

[ants]

 So to the ammunition question. If they did sell it on the Res (Not technically NY) a non-tribal member wouldn't have to worry about a background check? Kind of like buying in PA?

I would say no. They are not really buying it in NY state. Isn't a Res. its own  nation?? Could be wrong.  

[moog5050]

Perfectly legal to buy out of state and bring it in. Also totally legal to buy from a private party. (both with no background checks)

 True - that would suggest that the ammo could be bought by a non-tribal member without issue