This is not going to go over well.

[jjb4900]

$50,000.00 to kill an animal?.............wow.

[Mr VJP]

When you've got $200,000 for a Mercedes, what's a mere $50,000 for an African "Safari"?

 

[DirtTime]

Anyone actually pay attention to this part?

 

The incident may not be the first time Palmer has run afoul of the law while hunting.

A man by the same name and age, and from the same town, illegally killed a black bear in Wisconsin several years ago, according to court documents. That individual pleaded guilty to making a false statement

He knowingly made false statements to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and was sentenced to one year on probation and ordered to pay a fine of nearly $3,000, records show.

 

 

Something fishy in the punchbowl for sure here. 

[d-bone20917]

A similar situation exists near Yellowstone, where huge Elk often leave the park and are killed by hunters.  How long before an Elk, that's been given a name by anti's and fitted with a collar, causes the same issue here?  A few years ago a hunter legally killed a huge Black Bear in PA, that people had become familiar with and named.  They went after him like he murdered a neighborhood child!  If hunters start to fear having their lives ruined for taking a trophy animal, hunting will become a past time of such regulation and scrutiny, very few will be able to participate, if they can't afford a guide and a lawyer.

 

 

Its true people shoot elk, buffalo, wolves, etc. that wander outside of the Yellowstone into legal hunting areas.  The difference is those animals migrate out of the park on their own, these guys lured the animal out of the park by dragging a dead animal behind a vehicle to where this guy was waiting to shoot it.  It turns out the animal was killed illegally (per Zim officials) and two guys have been arrested.  This occurred before the media in the US got ahold of the story.  If this guy trusted the guides without looking into whether or not he was shooting an animal legally then he is just as big a d-bag as the guides.  There is definitely a lot of media bias to this story and it sucks this guy is getting ruined because of it, but It's okay for people to think he's a scumbag for being involved in illegal hunting activities... if its true.  

[Merlot]

Without the name, social media would not have noticed the situation. Not defending what the dentist did, but this hunt and the outcome of the kill would have been handled by the proper authorities without the witch hunt.

[Mr VJP]

It turns out the animal was killed illegally (per Zim officials) and two guys have been arrested.  

 

Once again, it is alleged the animal was illegally killed.  At this point, two people have been arrested, the Dentist isn't one of them, and no one has been convicted.

 

I find the lynch mob attitude surrounding this case to be disgusting, and a clear sign to every hunter, you are being threatened.

[Merlot]

Let me guess...This will be the lead "story" on NBC tonight...With Osama...I mean Obama, telling the huddled masses that the hunter acted  "Stupidly"...

[d-bone20917]

Once again, it is alleged the animal was illegally killed.  At this point, two people have been arrested, the Dentist isn't one of them, and no one has been convicted.

 

I find the lynch mob attitude surrounding this case to be disgusting, and a clear sign to every hunter, you are being threatened.

 

That's true, the Zim officials have alleged it was killed illegally but we do not yet know if anyone will be convicted.  Unfortunately that doesn't really matter in the court of public opinion.  Being pro-hunter doesn't mean you need to support poachers, and we as hunters need to do a better job of not putting ourselves in these situations.  It's only gotten worse with social media.

[Mr VJP]

Anyone actually pay attention to this part?

 

 

Something fishy in the punchbowl for sure here. 

 

Do you know the facts?  He had a permit to hunt in one zone, but killed it in a different zone.  It was a matter of a couple hundred yards difference.  He was trusting the "expertise" of his guide, who obviously wanted his client to be happy with his hunt.  He found out after the kill it was a different zone and took the advice of his guide and lied about where it was killed when he was asked.  That's what got him convicted.  If he had told the truth, no charges would have been pressed against him.

 

The media is calling that "having a criminal record", when it appears to be more a guy with a lot of cash and trust, who can afford to hire guides to put him on trophies that make him feel like a really accomplished hunter.

 

I'm sure most here would trust their guides just as much, and would be the first to blame the guide if anything went wrong.

[First-light]

Now it on the front of a finical website.

http://money.cnn.com

[d-bone20917]

The media is calling that "having a criminal record", when it appears to be more a guy with a lot of cash and trust, who can afford to hire guides to put him on trophies that make him feel like a really accomplished hunter.

 

I agree 100%.  The guy would rather throw money at a hunt so he doesn't have to know anything other than pulling the trigger or releasing the arrow.  I'm sure he's learning that to much trust in a guide can get you in trouble.  

[Mr VJP]

Make no mistake here people, this is an attack on EVERY hunter in the world.  It's not about just this guy, or poachers, or unethical hunters, or what have you.  It's about hunting, and everyone involved in it.

 

Try to separate yourself from the attack if you like, but the opposition isn't buying it.

 

[DirtTime]

I agree with that 100% VJP! I also agree that some guides are pretty questionable in their own right. This is an example of stupidity no matter how you flip the coin. If the guides are at fault, that's one issue and it's not good. If the hunter was at fault or knew about this situation, that's not good either. Yet, the third is also a stinger, if the hunter was unaware and put all his trust in someone else after being stung once, you have to wonder about his conviction or common sense.

This is bad no matter what happened. This won't end well period!

[phade]

Do you know the facts?  He had a permit to hunt in one zone, but killed it in a different zone.  It was a matter of a couple hundred yards difference.  He was trusting the "expertise" of his guide, who obviously wanted his client to be happy with his hunt.  He found out after the kill it was a different zone and took the advice of his guide and lied about where it was killed when he was asked.  That's what got him convicted.  If he had told the truth, no charges would have been pressed against him.

 

The media is calling that "having a criminal record", when it appears to be more a guy with a lot of cash and trust, who can afford to hire guides to put him on trophies that make him feel like a really accomplished hunter.

 

I'm sure most here would trust their guides just as much, and would be the first to blame the guide if anything went wrong.

 

Is this the bear issue or the lion? If its the bear, it seems eerily similar to the details of the lion hunt (trusting the guide). 

[phade]

I agree with that 100% VJP! I also agree that some guides are pretty questionable in their own right. This is an example of stupidity no matter how you flip the coin. If the guides are at fault, that's one issue and it's not good. If the hunter was at fault or knew about this situation, that's not good either. Yet, the third is also a stinger, if the hunter was unaware and put all his trust in someone else after being stung once, you have to wonder about his conviction or common sense.

This is bad no matter what happened. This won't end well period!

 

The smartest thing I've read that I've seen you type out. Well done.

 

Two data points of blaming the guide starts to raise eyebrows in my mind.

Edited July 29, 2015 by phade

[d-bone20917]

Make no mistake here people, this is an attack on EVERY hunter in the world.  It's not about just this guy, or poachers, or unethical hunters, or what have you.  It's about hunting, and everyone involved in it.

 

Try to separate yourself from the attack if you like, but the opposition isn't buying it.

Do you think the mob that is attacking this guy would come after you or I if they saw us posing with an elk or deer that we killed?  I don't.  There is just something about certain animals that spark outrage in people, and the lion is one of them.  Charismatic mega-fauna as Steven Rinella would say.  I bet even if this guy did everything legally (allegedly) and killed this lion he would be getting the same attacks.  The difference is, hunters would back him up.  No one wants to support a poacher, except apparently Ted Nugent. 

Edited July 29, 2015 by d-bone20917

[Mr VJP]

I agree.  Who was that Texas cheerleader that was getting crucified by the anti's for hunting in Africa? She never broke any game laws, but it didn't matter.

 

I believe they attack the people who hunt the "mega-fauna" now, because they can do so with impunity.  When they can attack all of us with impunity, they will.

 

Edited July 29, 2015 by Mr VJP

[BizCT]

$50,000.00 to kill an animal?.............wow.

Not surprised. Governor tags here in the U.S. for elk or sheep go for much more than that.

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[monkeyman2269]

That's 48 browning a5s

Edited July 29, 2015 by monkeyman2269

[jjb4900]

Not surprised. Governor tags here in the U.S. for elk or sheep go for much more than that.

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I'm just surprised that killing something to stick on a wall is worth that kind of cash to somebody.................but by the looks of it, it's gonna probably cost him a lot more when this is done.

[Mr VJP]

"One does not hunt in order to kill.  On the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted."

Jose Ortega y Gasset

 

I'm sure the hunt included all of the luxuries and extras that people who hunt Africa expect on their Safaris.

[jjb4900]

"One does not hunt in order to kill.  On the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted."

Jose Ortega y Gasset

 

I'm sure the hunt included all of the luxuries and extras that people who hunt Africa expect on their Safaris.

yeah, I'm sure it's a nice vacation, and the more I think about it the less crazy it sounds..........I think a week in Disney for a family of 4 or 5 will put you over 10 grand if you don't spare costs, and that's more like work than a vacation.

[Mr VJP]

This guy also seems to be the type who is trying to build an impressive resume of trophies in order to gain entry into the elitist 1% of the world's big game hunters.  Purely a drive for social status IMHO.

 

[jjb4900]

This guy also seems to be the type who is trying to build an impressive resume of trophies in order to gain entry into the elitist 1% of the world's big game hunters.  Purely a drive for social status IMHO.

I would think you're probably correct......I hate to make assumptions, but I have to think that the story behind taking a trophy like that is not very impressive.

[Grizz1219]

I think the PH's used are the criminals... This guy has a history of game violations but in this case, I don't think he knew.. as for the hunting of lions... Read this article in Time, it's a good read.. 

 

http://time.com/3976344/cecil-lion-zimbabwe-walter-palmer/