Broadhead help...

[zeus1gdsm]

Mathews switchback 31inch draw 49lbs.

So I have a set of ramcat 100grain. Running pse stl hunter 200s

With nocturnal nocks.

I am shooting 3 inch groups on my 100grain fields with standard nocks. They fly true.

I went to adjust for the ramcat and as expected they hit about 2-3inches lower.

Which is awesome. However I had other issues.

The ramcats don't fit my quickee 3arrow quiver too good.. It's a tight squeeze and they must be indexed properly to guard the blades. This isn't a huge deal for me. More of a minor annoyance.

The real issue is that the blades hit my riser on the right side. So I had to move my whisker biscuit and then sight a full 1/2 inch to the left to account for this.

40 minutes of trial and error and resighting later I have it back on target for 20-30 yards. And the broadhead just clear the bow..

Now I notice that the first 10 yards of flight there is massive deviation in flight before the arrow tracks true. The back end is all over the place.

What is causing this?

I have a set of 100grain titanium eastern outfitters true fixed broadhead. However they only have a 1inch cutting diameter.

Should I swap out for these as they will fit my quiver better?

Also I lost one of the ramcat blades on the first shot and i Dont like how I need.to tighten the Allen screws after every shot. I like the concept of the easy front flipping blades on the ramcat. But they may be more trouble than they are worth.

I don't think my setup will allow for mechanicals.

Please advise.

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Edited October 1, 2015 by zeus1gdsm

[chrisw]

After using ramcats for 3 years I'll admit there are growing pains. I also had to buy a different quiver (G5 magnaloc) and be sure to cut my arrows 1.5" longer to clear the shelf as its coming to full draw. I haven't had the issue of tightening the blades? I have one I've shot dozens of times into my target and maybe once I resnugged the blades... As far as arrow flight, my hit with my field points out to 70 yds, always have. I know a flew other people running ramcats and they also have had no deviation from their field tips. Are you certain there are no tuning issues with your bow?

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[zeus1gdsm]

Once adjusting the whisker biscuit to clear the bow and then adjusting the sight to match the biscuit. The only noticeable issue is the tail waggle. Till she righteous herself..

I just had the bow into the shop for them to help me get my first pin close.

They also installed a new peep and did a general check for safety.

The arrows are probably a tad short to accommodate the ramcats and riser...

However my budget is blown for the season.

I suppose it is possible that the head still catches at some point during the release. As it is drawing past the bow.

How far can I kick my sight and biscuit to the left and still maintain good flight?

I'd say I can probably get another 1/8th of an inch and be comfortable.

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[Doewhacker]

You made things way worse by moving the rest, buy or borrow broadheads that don't hit the riser. Your bow/rest is now dramatically out of tune.

http://www.archeryhistory.com/archerytalk/The_Nuts&Bolts_of_Archery.pdf

[NFA-ADK]

Agree with Doewhacker, if you moved the rest that far the bow is now out of tune and you should put it back to the original spot and get broad heads that work. 

[zeus1gdsm]

So the 1inch diameter cutting heads should be fine...? In terms of lethality?

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[nyslowhand]

In my experience..once you get the arrow rest (whisker biscuit) squared up and true, never touch it. By making L-R adjustments as you mentioned, you're forcing arrow to leave at some skewed angle. Possibly in for a lot of inconsistency and erratic arrow flight! Doesn't this go back to basic bow s/u 101, paper tuning? All follow-up adjustments should then be with sights. For what it's worth, IMHO....go back to where you were and buy longer arrows.

[zeus1gdsm]

So I can't afford another set of arrows right now.

Will the 1inch diameter blades be sufficient?

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[nyslowhand]

You made things way worse by moving the rest, buy or borrow broadheads that don't hit the riser. Your bow/rest is now dramatically out of tune.

http://www.archeryhistory.com/archerytalk/The_Nuts&Bolts_of_Archery.pdf

Now that's a very handy & cool bow tuning guide!

[shawnhu]

So I can't afford another set of arrows right now.

Will the 1inch diameter blades be sufficient?

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You're probably better off shooting with field tips than the way it's set up now. Hope that answers your question.

BTW, where are you located? Maybe someone close can help you out?

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[grampy]

If you put the one inch broadheads in the vitals, they will work just fine. You need to re square your rest and sights back to center. The fishtailing arrow means you are off center.

[zeus1gdsm]

Rome NY. I can get the rest/sight back where it was with no issues.

So I should probable go see if I can get 2 longer arrows. Cheaper than a new set of broadheads

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[zeus1gdsm]

If you put the one inch broadheads in the vitals, they will work just fine. You need to re square your rest and sights back to center. The fishtailing arrow means you are off center.

Thank you Grampy!!! I thought the fishtailing was due to being off center....

I'll re-enter the rest/sight and then pick up another set of ramcat replacement blades and 3 longer arrows.

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Edited October 2, 2015 by zeus1gdsm

[nyslowhand]

I applaud you for getting into bow hunting and trying to do it on a budget. Don't need to tell you, that's not an easy task with the cost of arrows, BHs, bow accessories...not to mention the $$ of at least a used, decent bow.

 

Like to suggest you get hooked-up with an experienced bow hunter for their advice. Apparently, haphazardly buying supplies you can afford is proving to be super frustrating. Hate to see you give up before actually experiencing the thrill of bow hunting!!!

 

Good luck!

[zeus1gdsm]

Actually the shop said I'd be fine with the ram cats and the arrows.... With the bow in hand...

The bow. Sight. And rest were all hand me downs.. Spent about 350 getting a dozen arrows the bow tuned a peep. The stuff installed a new cam installed and quiver...

Wifes a bit miffed at this point.

I hopefully the shop will let me get just 3 arrows since the last batch are too short even though they were an inch longer than the initial 6 I got from a different shop

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[shawnhu]

Actually the shop said I'd be fine with the ram cats and the arrows.... With the bow in hand...

The bow. Sight. And rest were all hand me downs.. Spent about 350 getting a dozen arrows the bow tuned a peep. The stuff installed a new cam installed and quiver...

Wifes a bit miffed at this point.

I hopefully the shop will let me get just 3 arrows since the last batch are too short even though they were an inch longer than the initial 6 I got from a different shop

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$350 for incorrect length arrows, tuning, and a peep? Are you sure you're not leaving anything out? Like a bow?

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[zeus1gdsm]

Lol nope... Dozen arrows. 3 broadheads at $40. 2 Quivers(1used at $15) Peep(installed). Accessories added. New cam. Cam install. Hip practice quiver. Nocks. Batteries for old sight. Field points. 2 releases. One a bit too small(used15$). Arm guard..... I think that covers it.

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[grampy]

If you have the smaller broadheads at least try shooting one before you buy more arrows. They may shoot just fine. If you put most any modern broadhead through the heart, lungs, you will have a dead deer. Good luck!

[zeus1gdsm]

If you have the smaller broadheads at least try shooting one before you buy more arrows. They may shoot just fine. If you put most any modern broadhead through the heart, lungs, you will have a dead deer. Good luck!

Will do

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[HuntOrBeHunted]

All I know is rage broadheads shoot just like a feild point if the bow is tuned right.

[Cbarber4]

What length arrows are you shooting I have some old ones you can have

I'm in rome

[Cbarber4]

Mine are 28.5

[moog5050]

Zeus,

 

PM me your address and I will send you a new package of slick trick magnums.  I am not using them.  They are 125g but will work better than pushing your centershot all out of whack.  You really need that bow properly tuned and it doesn't sound like your shop did you any favors.

 

Can anyone near Rome that has bow tuning skills help Zeus out?  Happy to help you if you want to drive to Rochester.

[grampy]

The people on this site are amazing! You just don't see at other places, members going out of their way to help other hunters, they don't even know! Kudo's and a big high five to you guy's! 

[zeus1gdsm]

I am also taken aback by the generosity. Having Noone to show me "the ropes" I have been picking up alot of info from this forum.

I'll measure the arrow length from tip to tail when I'm home.... But I do have a 31 inch draw.

Moog are those 1 1/8 diameter? I believe these ramcats are 1 3/8. So I think those magnums may clear. I have some 125 fieldpoints as well. Is 125 to heavy for my stl hunter 200s? Pse radial weave.

Address inbound incase they are suitable.

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