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[SteveB]

But I have no problem allwing them for those who are physically challenge. 

   

As long as you get something of value (to you) in return?

I don't believe now you meant your original statement to be as harsh as I took it.

But I would hope you can see why I saw it as such.

[shu9265]

Why would anyone want to attempt to shoot an arrow or bolt out to 100 yards ?

Way to many things to go wrong and get in the way.

[arrowflinger]

Yes, I do believe there are alot of guys with shoulder issues that could use them. I also believe that anyone who wants to use one should be able to. After all, they are just another form of bow.

We have a bunch of threads on crossbows on the forum, you can find how I feel about that and NYB in one or two of them. 

I imagine most guys with shoulder issues should be able to use the drawlock on a compound bow.  Its legal now.  They don't need crossbows.

[arrowflinger]

   

As long as you get something of value (to you) in return?

I don't believe now you meant your original statement to be as harsh as I took it.

But I would hope you can see why I saw it as such.

Sorry it upset you.

So how long have you had a physical disability that has kept you from bowhunting? 

[nyantler]

Arrowflinger..  How would a guy with a crossbow affect YOUR hunting during the bow season? Do you hunt with compound or trad bow? If you hunt with a compound.. I would be curious to know as well how that same crossbow hunter would interfere with YOUR bowhunting by having his crossbow instead of your compound.

[SteveB]

Arrowflinger..  Thankfully I don't - still do most of my bowhunting with a recurve. I do know several who do however - including a couple who help get our first bowseason.

[arrowflinger]

Arrowflinger..  Thankfully I don't - still do most of my bowhunting with a recurve. I do know several who do however - including a couple who help get our first bowseason.

My bad.

I just assumed that someone who would get so antagonistic about it so quickly must have some sort of vested interest.

You sell them, maybe?

[arrowflinger]

Arrowflinger..  How would a guy with a crossbow affect YOUR hunting during the bow season? Do you hunt with compound or trad bow? If you hunt with a compound.. I would be curious to know as well how that same crossbow hunter would interfere with YOUR bowhunting by having his crossbow instead of your compound.

Not sure what any of this has to do with the discussion.

[nyantler]

It has everything to do with knowing why you are so deadset against the crossbow.. it has to be because it will somehow disrupt your hunting... if not.. why the opposition to the crossbow?

Somehow I knew you might try to find a way not to answer the question.

[arrowflinger]

It has everything to do with knowing why you are so deadset against the crossbow.. it has to be because it will somehow disrupt your hunting... if not.. why the opposition to the crossbow?

Somehow I knew you might try to find a way not to answer the question.

Is everyone here as rude as you two pro-crossbow guys?  You didn't ask me if or why I was "deadset" against crossbows.  You asked a myriad of inapplicable questions that have nothing to do with crossbows.

Crossbows have always been illegal in NY, and considered inappropriate for bow season.

Now they are allowed for gun season....but it is crystal clear that they have been intentionally kept as distinct and different than vertical bows.

As well they should.

[nyantler]

so now that you have told us how you feel about crossbows.. you still haven't answered my question... I'm not trying to argue with you.. I just asked you a question...how is that rude?

If you are going to take a position against crossbows being used by the physically handicapped.. tell me how it would affect your bowhunting if a disabled hunter used a crossbow during the bow season... your argument is like NYB's in that it has told us about what it thinks are the diffences of the crossbow... but not exactly how someone using a crossbow would interupt your personal bowhunting experience.

[shu9265]

It has everything to do with knowing why you are so deadset against the crossbow.. it has to be because it will somehow disrupt your hunting... if not.. why the opposition to the crossbow?

Somehow I knew you might try to find a way not to answer the question.

Is everyone here as rude as you two pro-crossbow guys?  You didn't ask me if or why I was "deadset" against crossbows.  You asked a myriad of inapplicable questions that have nothing to do with crossbows.

Crossbows have always been illegal in NY, and considered inappropriate for bow season.

Now they are allowed for gun season....but it is crystal clear that they have been intentionally kept as distinct and different than vertical bows.

As well they should.

So what makes the crossbow so different from a compound with this "drawlock" device ?

As far as I can tell, one is vertical and one is horizontal.

Or is it the fact that one has a stock and my be placed against the shoulder to aim and fire ?

[WNYBuckHunter]

Crossbows have always been illegal in NY, and considered inappropriate for bow season.

Now they are allowed for gun season....but it is crystal clear that they have been intentionally kept as distinct and different than vertical bows.

As well they should.

Thankfully, things are changing. Just give it two years when they go over the law again. Full inclusion into archery season is coming. All archery equipment in archery season, as it should be.

This bill will hopefully be passed as a temporary fix to at least let the disabled guys use them in the correct season. 

[WNYBuckHunter]

Yes, I do believe there are alot of guys with shoulder issues that could use them. I also believe that anyone who wants to use one should be able to. After all, they are just another form of bow.

We have a bunch of threads on crossbows on the forum, you can find how I feel about that and NYB in one or two of them. 

I imagine most guys with shoulder issues should be able to use the drawlock on a compound bow.  Its legal now.  They don't need crossbows.

Says who? You and other members of NYB? Why should they dictate who can use what form of archery equipment in archery season? Its a BS argument that stems from an elitist attitude.

I apologize in advance if you are offended by the truth. 

[nyantler]

Whatever happens with weapons and seasons should have more to do with deerhunting as a whole than any one persons opinion about how it would affect their hunting personally... I would argue that the NYB bitches the most and has it the best as far as length of season in NY.

[arrowflinger]

Says who? You and other members of NYB? Why should they dictate who can use what form of archery equipment in archery season? Its a BS argument that stems from an elitist attitude.

I apologize in advance if you are offended by the truth. 

So far I have been called pathetic, evasive, and elitist.

No wonder I don't like crossbow hunters.: LOL:

I have no problem providing an exception to the rules for those who need it.

For those who NEED it.

[SteveB]

Arrowflinger..  Thankfully I don't - still do most of my bowhunting with a recurve. I do know several who do however - including a couple who help get our first bowseason.

My bad.

I just assumed that someone who would get so antagonistic about it so quickly must have some sort of vested interest.

You sell them, maybe?

Maybe making assumptions seldoms leads to the right answer.

I could assume since you seem to be so anti, that you only hunt with traditional equipment - but would most likely be wrong. You are more then willing to have bowhunting easier for you by use of a compound, but are unwilling to extend that to any one else, especially handicapped, without a payoff. I could also assume you most likely are involved with NYB, possibly a rep?

I don't need one or have any personal vested interest in any way - other then seeing

no reason for any archery equipment to be excluded from the bow season - especially for the handicapped.

[SteveB]

Says who? You and other members of NYB? Why should they dictate who can use what form of archery equipment in archery season? Its a BS argument that stems from an elitist attitude.

I apologize in advance if you are offended by the truth. 

So far I have been called pathetic, evasive, and elitist.

No wonder I don't like crossbow hunters.: LOL:

I have no problem providing an exception to the rules for those who need it.

For those who NEED it.

2 mistakes here - I called your opinion pathetic, not you.

And I am not a crossbow hunter - I use a real bow ;D

[arrowflinger]

You are more then willing to have bowhunting easier for you by use of a compound, but are unwilling to extend that to any one else, especially handicapped, without a payoff.

I don't need to extend it, silly.

Compounds are legal in all 50 states.....anyone who wants to bowhunt can already use one.

[nyantler]

So I'll ask you again Arrowflinger... Why the opposition to crossbow in NY during bow season.. how does it interfere with your bowhunting experience if someone else is hunting with a crossbow?

I also bowhunt with a recuve and still can't figure out how someone else using a crossbow will make any differnce in my hunting experience during bow season

[wztirem]

So I'll ask you again Arrowflinger... Why the opposition to crossbow in NY during bow season.. how does it interfere with your bowhunting experience if someone else is hunting with a crossbow?

I also bowhunt with a recuve and still can't figure out how someone else using a crossbow will make any differnce in my hunting experience during bow season

Perhaps he is reluctant to admit that the added competition will cramp his style and compound (pun) his chances for a successful kill.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Says who? You and other members of NYB? Why should they dictate who can use what form of archery equipment in archery season? Its a BS argument that stems from an elitist attitude.

I apologize in advance if you are offended by the truth. 

So far I have been called pathetic, evasive, and elitist.

No wonder I don't like crossbow hunters.: LOL:

I have no problem providing an exception to the rules for those who need it.

For those who NEED it.

Nobody called you an elitist. I said that the attitude is an elitist attitude.

BTW, I hunt with a compound bow and have no plans on buying a crossbow, even when they are included in all of archery season. Nice assumptions and attempt at making yourself into a victim lol. I say that the real victims here are the ones that you and others deny the right to hunt with the archery equipment of their choice.

[arrowflinger]

I say that the real victims here are the ones that you and others deny the right to hunt with the archery equipment of their choice.

ROFLMAO.

So the physically able twenty something who is too lazy to get off his butt and learn to hunt with a bow is a victim?

How precious.

Crossbows for the physically capable are freaking ridiculous.  I am delighted that they are illegal.

[SteveB]

So the physically able twenty something who is too lazy to get off his butt and learn to hunt with a recurve should shoot a compound?

Compounds for the physically capable are freaking ridiculous.  I wish that they are illegal.

See how this works?

[WNYBuckHunter]

Why are they ridiculous? How about the guys that dont have the time to put into proper practice with their bows, go out into the woods with little to no practice and make a bad shot on a deer, injuring it and letting it die a slow, agonizing death? Wouldnt you rather have them go out into the woods with a weapon they have a better chance of making a clean, efficient kill with?

Im gonna place my bet on no.