Bloomberg Lying Again!

[Mr VJP]

Bloomberg Operating Outside NYC-Again                                       

Seems New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg doesn't much care  where he sends his officers outside their jurisdiction if it advances his  anti-gun agenda. And it seems federal authorities have very little  interest  in slamming him for activities that would land a mere mortal in a federal  penitentiary for being an accessory in a felonious act.

 

  Yesterday morning, the New York Times reported that Bloomberg had  apparently sent undercover investigators to the January 23 Crossroads of  the West Gun Show held in Phoenix, Arizona.

 

  Then, at a press conference, Bloomberg showed undercover videotape of  three purchases reportedly made at the Crossroads of the West Show. Among  those purchases, a "Glock pistol and two high-capacity magazines -like the  ones used in the Tucson shooting."

 

  No reference was made to the fact that the Glock model is among the  world's most popular pistols -or that magazine capacities vary according to  either regulation, or user tastes.

 

  According to Bloomberg, investigators bought guns in private transactions  despite their having alluded to their being unable to pass a background  check.

 

  Private sales between  individuals are not subject to background checks-  but private sellers are not supposed to make sales to individuals who might  not otherwise be able to pass background checks. That makes the seller -  and the purchaser - guilty of a felony. Anyone party to those illegal  purchases (as in the mayor who sent them undercover with the intent to make  an illegal purchase) an accessory. A fact that seemed to escape the  reporters in attendance.

 

  We're not even going to go into the entrapment discussion - the  investigators were slightly out of their jurisdiction, and no word -yet- on  their having checked in with local authorities before staging their  allegedly illicit purchases.

 

  During his photo-op, Bloomberg told reporters that he and the eldest son  of Martin Luther King Jr. had tried to convince President Obama to raise  the issue of tighter gun controls in his state of the union address. He  didn't, and Bloomberg called that a "missed opportunity" although he said  he  was "encouraged" that some members of the president's staff assured him  Mr. Obama would "take the matter up separately."

 

  Bloomberg's a determined advocate for tighter gun controls- and is  absolutely willing to do whatever he thinks necessary to crack down on  firearms ownership. And, it seems, he has a willing accomplice in the  mainstream media.

 

  CNN's online reports highlighted the Bloomberg story with a "new" fact  that "87% of guns seized by Mexican authorities and traced in the last 5  years originated in the US."

 

  Sorry, CNN, but that's just not true.

 

  Only a fraction of the guns seized by Mexican authorities originated in  the United States. The majority were purchased and smuggled in from other  countries or stolen from Mexican police and military bases.

 

  The drug wars aren't being fought with semiautomatic pistols, they're  being fought with military-issued fully-automatic weapons.

 

  The small number of  guns which could be traced did, in fact, originate in  the United States. But...the majority of those had been reported stolen or  sold in secondary purchases, not purchased directly from unscrupulous  dealers along the borders.

 

  For all intents and purposes, most tracking of firearms ends with a  legitimate sale to an individual purchaser. That purchaser was subject to a  NICS background checks and the requisite federal form (4473)  on which the  purchaser states that he or she understands any lies on that form are  federal offenses, and they are legally entitled to purchase a firearm.

 

  From that point, the firearm is generally traced from owner-to-owner by  old-fashioned police work. Many times, that trail goes cold with a theft  report.

 

  Again, it's a case of a lack of familiarity with the facts - or an  unwillingness to challenge any anti-gun rhetoric. The half-truths are then  quoted as irrefutable fact by reporters who more than likely generally  don't  have any knowledge of firearms - or firearms regulations. To many  reporters, every gun - regardless of its capabilities- is an "assault  weapon".

 

  But ignorance is absolutely no excuse for lazy reporting. Even in New York  City, there are experts on firearms that can help a reporter, producer or  associate producer do some basic fact-checking.

 

  Regurgitation of supplied statistics and "facts" without a basic  questioning of their validity is one of the myriad of reasons that CNN is  now nowhere near the top of an industry it founded.

 

  But CNN's not alone in the intellectual laziness, virtually all the  "mainstream" media has accepted Bloomberg's half-truths with absolutely no  question.

 

  Maybe that's why the "mainstream" is no longer the public's primary source  for news and unbiased information.                                     

[steve863]

So what's the lie here?  I will agree that maybe Bloomberg should concentrate on running NYC and not worry about other areas on NYC's expense, but it has been proven time and time again that guns used in crimes can be traced back to gun shows in many instances.  What you boys don't seem to understand is that Glock, Ruger, S&W, etc. don't put guns out on the black market so that criminals and felons could get them.  They are brought legally to the market and then these supposed legal and law abiding gun owners sell them to people who are not so law abiding.  There is definitely a breakdown somewhere where the supposed law abiding are feeding guns to criminals.  Gun shows are one of these places.

[wztirem]

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[Mr VJP]

Are you advocating NICS checks for all firearms transfers, including private sales and gifts from father to son?

Do you realize once that becomes law, an FFL transfer will be required?  How much do you think you will have to pay the FFL to do your transfers when he is your only option?  Some FFL's in states like NJ already charge $100 to do a transfer.  In NYC it can be even higher.

If you are thinking the state will ever allow individuals to do their own NICS checks over the phone or on the internet, ask yourself this, why can't you do it now?  Only a licensed FFL is allowed to do a NICS check.  Do you think that will change?  I don't.

I don't think the law abiding gun owner should have to suffer for the crimes of others, but that's just me.  If you have some data that proves any significant amount of guns in criminal hands were bought at gun shows from private sellers, please post it for us to see.  The data must be there if what you say is true because it can easily be traced to the private seller in a trace.

Seems to me Bloomberg is doing a great job educating criminals how to go about getting a gun.  Many dopey crooks probably had no idea prior to his charades.

[Mr VJP]

Almost forgot, once NICS checks are mandated for all gun sales, lots of things will become reasons to deny you.  Got a DUI conviction, no guns.  Got a phony domestic charge in a divorce, no guns.  Etc., etc,....

[steve863]

Yes, I think a NICS check could be done without an FFL dealer in this computer age.  You guys don't because you don't want to even give it a try or think of ways the system can be improved.  You think everything is an infringement of your rights and will fight any common sense ideas.  Because of this we will all lose our gun rights one day.

And by you saying that "Bloomberg is doing a great job in educating criminals on how to get a gun", it sure looks to some of us that you are indeed admitting that there are some real serious problems with gun shows in this country. So again, exactly what was Bloomberg lying about?

[Mr VJP]

If they wanted you to be able to do background checks on buyers you would already be able to do so.  All a dealer does is a phone call.  I have a phone.  Why do I need to be a dealer to do a check?  For that matter, if anyone could do a NICS check why do we need to do a transfer through an FFL?

This is just a liar's way of saying, "I can't control crime in my city, but I can blame others for it!"

The  Tuscon shooter actually bought his gun, magazines and bullets at a  retail store and passed a NICS check.  None of what Blowberg is doing  has any relevence to that shooting what so ever!  I notice he fails to  mention any NY gun owner can sell long guns to any other NY resident  without a NICS check too.  How come he doesn't call that a loophole?

If I have a Firearms I.D. card, meaning I went through an extensive check to get it, then apply for a pistol permit and go through even more checking to get that, why do I need to have a NICS check done on the same day when I go to the gun store for a purchase within hours of getting the pistol permit?

It is pretty obvious that if he got his way and NICS was mandatory for all gun sales, he would not be happy and stop attacking gun owners.  This is just a step towards eliminating private gun ownership.  If this passes, it opens up a whole new area of infringement for anti gun folks to abuse and exploit.  Anti-gun people like him are not going to be satisfied until all gun ownership is outlawed and he has actually said this in the past.  The man is playing a chess game with our rights.  One move at a time until the game is over.  Check Mate!

To call this scheme common sense is deluding one's self.

He is also lying about guns from the US in Mexico.  If you read the original post I think you can see that.

"CNN's  online reports highlighted the Bloomberg story with a "new" fact  that  "87% of guns seized by Mexican authorities and traced in the last 5 years originated in the US."

 

  Sorry, CNN, but that's just not true.

 

  Only a fraction of the guns seized by Mexican authorities originated  in  the United States. The majority were purchased and smuggled in from  other  countries or stolen from Mexican police and military bases.

 

  The drug wars aren't being fought with semiautomatic pistols, they're  being fought with military-issued fully-automatic weapons.

 

  The small number of  guns which could be traced did, in fact, originate  in  the United States. But...the majority of those had been reported  stolen or  sold in secondary purchases, not purchased directly from  unscrupulous  dealers along the borders."

The man is lying, period.

A question also arises.  How do NYC taxpayers like the idea of their mayor spending NYPD funds on a witch hunt in Arizona?  The  city is broke and they are looking at police layoffs soon, but they can  spend money on scams in Arizona that have no benefit to NYC at all?

[Doewhacker]

I don't see why and how a mayor of any city in the US can think that they can make laws and changes to gun control. Seems like he really wants to put his name in a history book, it sure ain't gonna be for best mayor ever. Myabe he is eyeing a different position after he is done being a mayor?

[steve863]

This is just a liar's way of saying, "I can't control crime in my city, but I can blame others for it!"

Actually the crime rate in NYC is a lot lower than many places in this country.  Bloomberg and Guiliani before him can be credited for this.  A lot of people think there is mayhem in the streets there, but that is far from the truth.  The city is as safe as any city in this country if not a lot safer.  Murders per capita are actually a lot higher in many smaller communities in this country. 

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I think the focus on legal gun ownership is wrong. I hate to over simplify things but our punishments are no deterent anymore. If you are convicted of a violent cime.......using a gun. you die....no passing go,.....no collecting $200 or getting a free tax payer education. ...just a good bye flip of the switch.

[Doc]

You think everything is an infringement of your rights and will fight any common sense ideas.  Because of this we will all lose our gun rights one day.

Is anyone really all that naive??? You really believe that all these wonderful ideas for new gun controls have anything to do with cutting gun crime? You apparently think that each additional gun-owner harrassment law when added to the huge volumes of existing gun laws already clogging up law books is going to be the silver bullet that eradicates the use of guns in the commission of crimes .... lol. Since you obviously haven't figured it out yet, let me clue you in that the anti-gun crowd has one, and only one, objective. That is to eliminate the private ownership of all firearms. It's really that simple, and you apparently are a naive, unsuspecting partner in that cause who thinks that anti-gun forces can be appeased  by each and every new concession made to their cause. I'm sure they truly appreciate your support. 

[NYDeer]

Actually the crime rate in NYC is a lot lower than many places in this country.  Bloomberg and Guiliani before him can be credited for this.  A lot of people think there is mayhem in the streets there, but that is far from the truth.  The city is as safe as any city in this country if not a lot safer.  Murders per capita are actually a lot higher in many smaller communities in this country.

The gun violence statistics in this country are manipulated just like everything else is. When you drop gang related shootings from the statistics pool, the shooting rates plummet. I doubt the smaller communities you mention have ongoing 'turf' wars between rival gangs. Also, when you have 9 million residents, it can be used to manipulate the statistics a bit. There are a few rough sections of town that are like war zones I wouldn't even drive through, yet get minimized over all by the other neighborhoods crime levels being 'normal'. Law of averages.  Toss in NYPD brass' pressure to 'under-report' crimes to generate better 'cop-stat' statistics and yes, it seems Bloomy & Rudy are doing great.. But they're still riding with armed security themselves, so what's up? They don't believe the reports either I guess.. And neither do I.  I still want the option of defending myself over waiting for 911 to respond.

If Bloomberg wanted to REALLY  make a difference in peoples daily lives, he's outlaw cigarettes, fast food & cars.. All kill more people annually than guns, in America.. Oh wait, those FUND the states though taxes so we can't make them impossible to attain.. This isn't about 'caring' about gun violence as Doc pointed out,  Bloomberg has a personal agenda he's promoting, and because he's a zillion-are, his point of view is more important than mine,yours, laws, or the Constitution.

 

[WNYBuckHunter]

I think the focus on legal gun ownership is wrong. I hate to over simplify things but our punishments are no deterent anymore. If you are convicted of a violent cime.......using a gun. you die....no passing go,.....no collecting $200 or getting a free tax payer education. ...just a good bye flip of the switch.

Bingo! Like most other issues, we dont need MORE laws, we need to do a better job enforcing the ones that already exist.

If you go to a gun show and illegally purchase a gun, guess what, you arent a law abiding citizen. If you knowingly sell a gun to a criminal or prior felon, guess what, you arent a law abiding citizen. If you get caught illegally selling or buying a gun or guns, you should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and never allowed to own a firearm again.

Now THAT is common sense.

[steve863]

You think everything is an infringement of your rights and will fight any common sense ideas.  Because of this we will all lose our gun rights one day.

Is anyone really all that naive??? You really believe that all these wonderful ideas for new gun controls have anything to do with cutting gun crime? You apparently think that each additional gun-owner harrassment law when added to the huge volumes of existing gun laws already clogging up law books is going to be the silver bullet that eradicates the use of guns in the commission of crimes .... lol. Since you obviously haven't figured it out yet, let me clue you in that the anti-gun crowd has one, and only one, objective. That is to eliminate the private ownership of all firearms. It's really that simple, and you apparently are a naive, unsuspecting partner in that cause who thinks that anti-gun forces can be appeased  by each and every new concession made to their cause. I'm sure they truly appreciate your support. 

Typical response from types like you who think the sky is falling.  Without compromise in life nothing gets done.  Of course you guys think compromise is giving in completely.  If you didn't already realize it, we have more gun violence in this nation than any other civilized nation.  You guys can do the math to why this is so.  Everyone in this country doesn't own guns or really wants to.  It is up to you guys to convince the rest of society that supposed law abiding gun owners don't one way or another sell guns to criminals.  Like I said before the gun manufacturers don't sell guns directly from their plants to the bad guys.  It's "legal" purchasers from gun shops and gun shows that end up selling guns to them.  If we don't take measures to try to reduce this problem we will ALL be suspect to those who don't own guns.  Good luck in convincing them with your bullheaded ideologies.

[nyantler]

What you call compromise .. I call giving in... It's like saying we need to compromise with terrorists so that something with get done about terrorism..

And as for doing something to stop illegal sale of handguns.. How many more laws to we need  that say you can't sell guns illegally...?

[steve863]

I don't think it's asking too much for ALL buyers at gun shows, whether they are buying from a FFL dealer or a private person to have a background check done on them.  A simple mandatory process like this would go a LONG way to prevent giving gun owners and gun shows the bad name they are getting here.  It's just like hunting.  We are told to keep our own in check so everyone else doesn't get a black eye for the bad apples out there.  Same with the gun issue.  It looks to me that we are failing on both counts.  If we were somehow succeeding, society surely wouldn't think so low of us as they currently do.  I guess we who DO care get the short end of the stick because of those who don't seem to give a hoot.

[Mr VJP]

Neither the Virginia Tech shooter, or the Tuscon shooter were denied a gun when they had NICS checks run on them.  They did not buy a gun at a gun show.

You may not think it is a band idea now, but when YOU get denied the first time, after the initial shock, you will be angry.

Happens all the time right now.  Somebody who is buying guns all the time suddenly gets denied and has to spend lots of time trying to fix it through the lengthy appeal process that is set up for it.  i think they do this just hoping some people will just give up trying.

They are also constantly adding new reasons for rejection to the list.  I don't expect they will stop adding to it when you have to have a check.  The only thing that keeps the fed from going crazy with the NICS check is the exemption in the law for selling guns between private sellers.  Once they can get that changed, they will clamp down hard.  I guarantee it.

Here's my idea of compromise.  I'll submit to a NICS check once.  Then I get a Firearms card for life, unless it is revoked by a Judge in a court of law with due process.  This way the system isn't as over burdened as it currently is and I don't have to be checked every time I buy a gun.  That seems like a good compromise.  Why won't the anti-gun crowd accept that?

If you don't know why, read the paragraph right above this one.

[Doc]

And as for doing something to stop illegal sale of handguns.. How many more laws to we need  that say you can't sell guns illegally...?

Everytime a new gun law is passed three or four new versions of the same law get proposed. How many volumes of redundant gun laws are really required. It's called incrementalism and is designed as additional ratcheting of harrassment for legal gun owners in an attempt to make gun ownership so painful and costly that more and more law abiding gun owners simply cave in and get rid of their weapons. So why shouldn't gun owners say, "enough!" When the motives of these anti-gun nuts is as clear as it is, why shouldn't gun owners dig in their heels and resist. This idea that everyone is simply supposed to roll over anytime some anti-gun nut wants to get confrontational has gone on about long enough. To me, if the NRA and other gun owner organizations want to draw a line in the sand, they have my support, 100%.

[wztirem]

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[Mr VJP]

No, but these guys, would sure as hell, love to take all of your guns away!

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I love the article about wanting Albany to pass the micro stamping legislation.  To give the police a new tool to combat crime. HA HA HA HA HA HAAAA........

How many reports, and how much data, do these fools need to understand it doesn't work??

But what it would do is outlaw the possession of any handgun in NY that doesn't have it.  Guess what?  No pistol maker is going to make one.  So where are you going to get one?  See the ban here?

[2BRKnot2B]

Yes, I think a NICS check could be done without an FFL dealer in this computer age.  You guys don't because you don't want to even give it a try or think of ways the system can be improved.  You think everything is an infringement of your right..."

Correct! What is the meaning of infringed, Steve? Means "to encroach." Encroach means "to go beyond what is original, proper & customary; to make inroads." What part of originally there were no gun laws, don't you understand? What part of it is proper for every free man be armed for their own defense, don't you understand? What part of "to hinder" don't you understand, as it, too, is a meaning of infringed. You are either a dunce, deliberately pot stoking, or a leftist disguising as a gun owner. If you believe that others may be infringed, that is also tyrannical on your part. It is your belief, but it is not the constitution to which you are adhering.

[Mr VJP]

Arizona Governor Jan Brewer slammed Bloomberg, saying it was  interesting that the mayor has enough spare time on his hands to come  to Arizona to launch a sting operation.  Brewer said, "He's out here in Arizona solving our problems.  I guess he believes that he has solved all the problems in New York."  The article went on to note that Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio  wondered why Bloomberg didn't notify his office about any alleged  violations.

"Why is Mayor Bloomberg concerned about law enforcement in my county?  Maybe I should send undercover deputies to New York," Arpaio tweeted on his Real Sheriff Joe Twitter account.

For her part, Brewer said she has no intention of sending investigators to spy on New York. 

[2BRKnot2B]

If I was an Arizonan, I'd be more worried about why someone from NYC thought that AZ was within their jurisdiction, and I'd e wanting to know names, and have extradition papers written up so as to bring these scofflaws back to Az for prosecution, including Bloomberg.

[wztirem]

Arizona Governor Jan Brewer slammed Bloomberg, saying it was  interesting that the mayor has enough spare time on his hands to come  to Arizona to launch a sting operation.  Brewer said, "He's out here in Arizona solving our problems.  I guess he believes that he has solved all the problems in New York."  The article went on to note that Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio  wondered why Bloomberg didn't notify his office about any alleged  violations.

"Why is Mayor Bloomberg concerned about law enforcement in my county?  Maybe I should send undercover deputies to New York," Arpaio tweeted on his Real Sheriff Joe Twitter account.

For her part, Brewer said she has no intention of sending investigators to spy on New York.

Bloomberg was not in Arizona (get that straight). Representatives from NYPD were there and they proved what Bloomberg and others have been saying. So whats the big deal? Arizona has a problem ( and so does NY -with illegal hand guns) and the NY sting operation is being used the Arizona politicos to skirt the real issue.

Get your head out of the sand!

[nyantler]

So why just Arizona so conveniently?  What about the illegal handgun problem in NY... and not just the city but Upstate New York? .. and who gave him permission to STEAL my tax money for his Arizona sting??

too me... what he did with taxpayer money is just as criminal as the focus of his sting