If Hillary gets elected, this will happen before 4 years are up

[Rattler]

This is not paranoia, it's fact!

https://www.nratv.com/series/commentators/episode/commentators-season-6-episode-19-how-isis-could-get-a-nuke-across-our-border?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=nratv_com_series_commentators_episode_commentators-season-6-episode-19-how-isis-could-get-a-nuke-across-our-border-2016-10-11&utm_campaign=Video

[The_Field_Ager]

That could happen today..if it hasn't already

[Core]

I'm not terribly concerned because it's unequivocally impossible to create a nuclear device without an extensive state apparatus. The only way to procure one is from a nuclear state. That video mentions pakistan, but the blowback would be astronomical. I'm sure any state knows that if they willingly sell nukes to a terror group and that is used that they will have their entire nuclear stockpile eviscerated (absolute best-case for them; worse case it is removed by nuclear weapons). That would be mean pakistan's entire arsenal is bombed. That's step one.

Step two is merciless identification and prosecution of all people involved. So any "corrupt" officials who benefited from that would be tirelessly hunted down.

For the same reason a "rogue" state like north korea also won't sell its weapons. Certainly not to a group like ISIS. 

This is all analogous to me making a few bucks by selling one of my guns to a guy who's just positively, absolutely guaranteed that he's going to use it for murder and there is a record tracking that gun directly back to me including knowledge that I knew what he'd do. It's not plausible.
 

[LJC]

34 minutes ago, Core said:

I'm not terribly concerned because it's unequivocally impossible to create a nuclear device without an extensive state apparatus. The only way to procure one is from a nuclear state. That video mentions pakistan, but the blowback would be astronomical. I'm sure any state knows that if they willingly sell nukes to a terror group and that is used that they will have their entire nuclear stockpile eviscerated (absolute best-case for them; worse case it is removed by nuclear weapons). That would be mean pakistan's entire arsenal is bombed. That's step one.

Step two is merciless identification and prosecution of all people involved. So any "corrupt" officials who benefited from that would be tirelessly hunted down.

For the same reason a "rogue" state like north korea also won't sell its weapons. Certainly not to a group like ISIS. 

This is all analogous to me making a few bucks by selling one of my guns to a guy who's just positively, absolutely guaranteed that he's going to use it for murder and there is a record tracking that gun directly back to me including knowledge that I knew what he'd do. It's not plausible.
 

The Terrorist  could attack a  Nuclear Power Plant much easier.

Then getting a nuc much more likely to happen  

Edited October 12, 2016 by LJC

[Rattler]

First of all, people sell guns to criminals they know will kill people with them, all the time.  Second, any nation that had a rogue agent sell a nuke to terrorists would claim they had no control over it and ignore any sanctions by asking, "Or else what?"  The "or else" from Clinton would be the same as crossing Obama's "red line in the sand".  NOTHING!

Why did the US do nothing to Pakistan for harboring Bin Laden for years?  Because Pakistan said they didn't know he was there.

Deny it all you like, but it WILL happen if Clinton gets elected.  It may still happen if Trump gets elected, and we can blame Obama for that.

The worst part is, when it happens, it will be the American citizen that loses, because Martial Law will be implemented and all of your rights will be suspended, probably forever.

[Core]

There is not a single person in any country who could sell and deliver a nuke. It would take a significant number of people involved. The red line in Syria was people in another country. I am positive the US would go ape if a nuke was ever detonated here.


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[philoshop]

3 hours ago, Core said:

There is not a single person in any country who could sell and deliver a nuke. It would take a significant number of people involved. The red line in Syria was people in another country. I am positive the US would go ape if a nuke was ever detonated here.


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i seem to remember 50 or so nuclear weapons 'went missing' from the soviet union's arsenal  after the USSR breakup. Many of them were considered 'man-packable' "suitcase nukes". Read that as 'backpackable' nukes. To the best of my knowledge, no one has any idea where they are today, but they are almost certainly for sale somewhere on the arms market. Money greases a lot of wheels and buys a lot of silence. It's naive to think that access to nukes is impossible. Hell, half of those missing nukes could be sitting in the basement of George Soros right now.

[Uptown Redneck]

The irrational Right Wing idiot conspiracy theories flow here like the garage flows from Little Hitler's mouth   

[Salmon_Run]

7 hours ago, Uptown Redneck said:

The irrational Right Wing idiot conspiracy theories flow here like the garage flows from Little Hitler's mouth   

I am not sure why you troll here......Doesn't the New York Times have a forum? 

[The_Field_Ager]

1 hour ago, Salmon_Run said:

I am not sure why you troll here......Doesn't the New York Times have a forum? 

I think he works for the NYT and is simply generating click bait for their site. Their readership is dropping. He might be out of a job soon

Edited October 13, 2016 by Papist

[LJC]

16 hours ago, Rattler said:

First of all, people sell guns to criminals they know will kill people with them, all the time.  Second, any nation that had a rogue agent sell a nuke to terrorists would claim they had no control over it and ignore any sanctions by asking, "Or else what?"  The "or else" from Clinton would be the same as crossing Obama's "red line in the sand".  NOTHING!

Why did the US do nothing to Pakistan for harboring Bin Laden for years?  Because Pakistan said they didn't know he was there.

Deny it all you like, but it WILL happen if Clinton gets elected.  It may still happen if Trump gets elected, and we can blame Obama for that.

The worst part is, when it happens, it will be the American citizen that loses, because Martial Law will be implemented and all of your rights will be suspended, probably forever.

 

[Salmon_Run]

I just don't understand how the public can stand by and watch as the "BIG" political machines continue their reign of corruption. We are talking billions of dollars funneled through "foundations" with ties to foreign interests; I am not a conspiracy theorist, alarmist or great believer in the current political system. I am an ordinary citizen, have a family, and have been employed since I was 14 years old. I am utterly sick watching this campaign unfold. 

The corruption, backdoor deals and endless trail of ill gotten money makes me sick. There is no longer justice in the system. We have special interest groups following politicians who follow the power and money trail. The absolute arrogance and bias against the public from the Clinton side is beyond belief.

The media is so bias that the coverage is buried or tainted with a spin. When their (Dems) backs are against the wall the cliche excuses flow like water. The content of the e-mails released should make the ordinary citizen vomit in disgust. This is how we are "represented" by "our" trusted elected leaders and thought of by them. 

It was the Russians, Trump must be behind this, oops didn't fact check that, deny-deny and deny more; all while displaying an overly arrogant smug smile and laugh. The typical lawyer answers come forth in slews of redundancy.  

Our government leaders are not leaders at all; they are followers, followers of big-big money. We are the blind sheep watching this unfold and while this happens, the "government" takes control of our industry through regulations, our health care systems, our energy supplies, who is allowed into this country unrestricted, education, meanwhile our taxes are on the rise and we have less to show for it. The national debt is so far out of control it may NEVER be reeled in.

This while it is screamed by the media Trump said the word "pussy'; yes he was dead wrong in his words and maybe his actions. But what is happening as we watch our country spiral downward is disgusting. 

Simply disgusting and so much more than unsettling...I fear the future ...... 

Edited October 13, 2016 by Salmon_Run
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[greg54]

[LJC]

10 hours ago, Uptown Redneck said:

The irrational Right Wing idiot conspiracy theories flow here like the garage flows from Little Hitler's mouth   

So all the hacked emails and one sided media coverage is not enough proof for you really ? You can't be that dense 

[Steuben Jerry]

19 hours ago, Core said:

it's unequivocally impossible to create a nuclear device without an extensive state apparatus. The only way to procure one is from a nuclear state. That video mentions pakistan, but the blowback would be astronomical.

Possibly Iran in a few years? They've got money to burn now too.

[LJC]

40 minutes ago, Salmon_Run said:

I just don't understand how the public can stand by and watch as the "BIG" political machines continue their reign of corruption. We are talking billions of dollars funneled through "foundations" with ties to foreign interests; I am not a conspiracy theorist, alarmist or great believer in the current political system. I am an ordinary citizen, have a family, and have been employed since I was 14 years old. I am utterly sick watching this campaign unfold. 

The corruption, backdoor deals and endless trail of ill gotten money makes me sick. There is no longer justice in the system. We have special interest groups following politicians who follow the power and money trail. The absolute arrogance and bias against the public from the Clinton side is beyond belief.

The media is so bias that the coverage is buried or tainted with a spin. When their (Dems) backs are against the wall the cliche excuses flow like water. The content of the e-mails released should make the ordinary citizen vomit in disgust. This is how we are "represented" by "our" trusted elected leaders and thought of by them. 

It was the Russians, Trump must be behind this, oops didn't fact check that, deny-deny and deny more; all while displaying an overly arrogant smug smile and laugh. The typical lawyer answers come forth in slews of redundancy.  

Our government leaders are not leaders at all; they are followers, followers of big-big money. We are the blind sheep watching this unfold and while this happens, the "government" takes control of our industry through regulations, our health care systems, our energy supplies, who is allowed into this country unrestricted, education, meanwhile our taxes are on the rise and we have less to show for it. The national debt is so far out of control it may NEVER be reeled in.

This while it is screamed by the media Trump said the word "pussy'; yes he was dead wrong in his words and maybe his actions. But what is happening as we watch our country spiral downward is disgusting. 

Simply disgusting and so much more than unsettling...I fear the 

[Core]

15 minutes ago, Steuben Jerry said:

Possibly Iran in a few years? They've got money to burn now too.

i do believe Iran is on its way to a nuke.The risk of selling one is astronomical, though.

[Rattler]

On the other side of thought, when it happens, it will be in the Democratic bastions of the country.  America's leftist liberal infested cities, where most of the fools who befriend those who swear to kill them. live.  So, that does work out to be karma, as well as being incredibly ironic.  Maybe then we will be able to eliminate terrorists around the globe, because all of the fools trying to stop that from happening won't be around anymore.

Isn't that where Redneck lives?  I'm sure his tombstone epithet will read, "They didn't mean to do it.  The Right Wing made them do it!"