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because the biggest jump is from 1.5 to 2.5

Additionally the graph makes no mention of score other then a percentage of the buck maximum growth. So regardless of how big the buck grows he still will on average see similar gains per year based on his age.

We have to understand that we are debating this with people that either just disregard facts because they dont conform to their misguided ignorant opinions or secondly are just plain too ignorant to progress simple biological premises. Very sad.

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8 minutes ago, Trial153 said:


Additionally the graph makes no mention of score other then a percentage of the buck maximum growth. So regardless of how big the buck grows he still will on average see similar gains per year based on his age.
We have to understand that we are debating this with people that either just disregard facts because they do conform to their opinions or secondly are two ignorant to progress simple biological premises. Very sad.

I'm sure you meant "too ignorant" not "two ignorant." :rolleyes:

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3 hours ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

I have a friend who is hunting a property that is being heavily managed here in WNY. The owner is taking a little different approach to the friends and family that are hunting it. The adjoining properties are starting to get on board with the approach as well I guess. It is in an area with pretty liberal doe permits being available.

Shoot whatever buck you want to shoot, but every buck taken MUST have a full shoulder mount done. So if you are willing to belly up the $$ and want the mount then squeeze the trigger. 

This is exactly what we did for many of years. Starting in 2007 we tried to get as many neighbors as possible on board with if your shooting a buck, you are doing a shoulder mount with him, no ifs and or but about it. It worked well for the amount of participation we got out of this. (about 2/3) cooperation within about 2,000 acres.  

A few properties had guys became very upset that they hadnt taken any good bucks yet and went straight back to their old ways, after a few years. Its their property their choice, i dont mind. but we still do pretty well. Several of these properties wont shoot does, fore they bring in the big bucks we are chasing. 

But if this state became an earn a tag state, with check stations, and or a 1 buck only state for atleast a few years, it would make this state more productive for quality bucks. Im not about the antler score size but about the age, ill shoot a 100" 5.5. yr old every year and be happy.  

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15 hours ago, gjs4 said:

Perhaps there is a coloring book on why deer racks get bigger in size that we can buy for you struggling with the point of NY hunters' lack self control is the primary reason we don't have older and bigger bucks.


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I don't quite understand what your problem is or what your point is. I am not a simpleton like you suggest and I  don't need a coloring book to teach me anything. In case you haven't noticed there have been some pretty nice mature bucks taken & shown on this thread and if you have looked at this site: http://www.nyantler-outdoors.com/2016-new-york-whitetails.html you will see quite a few more. There are plenty of mature deer around and I could show you tracks as big as or as close to as big as a cow.

So get off your high horse and go find someone else to lay your crap on because I really don't want to entertain someone that talks out of the wrong end of their body.

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5 hours ago, Steve D said:

I don't quite understand what your problem is or what your point is. I am not a simpleton like you suggest and I  don't need a coloring book to teach me anything. In case you haven't noticed there have been some pretty nice mature bucks taken & shown on this thread and if you have looked at this site: http://www.nyantler-outdoors.com/2016-new-york-whitetails.html you will see quite a few more. There are plenty of mature deer around and I could show you tracks as big as or as close to as big as a cow.

So get off your high horse and go find someone else to lay your crap on because I really don't want to entertain someone that talks out of the wrong end of their body.

There remain a number of hunters that are still emotionally invested in the notion that antler restrictions are the way to the promised land. But when confronted with science, like the 26-year Kerr Management study, cited above and others, they understandably react with "ad hominem" remarks.  I consider personal slams as tacit capitulations.

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33 minutes ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

What is this guys potential? any ideas? would he be a good one to take out of the "gene pool"?

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That is one well bred, well fed, genetically superior spike buck. Probably not a wild deer. But to answer the question...if the deer was a wild spike...always depends on the local population. If you are overrun with spike bucks like him and there are forks and six points the same age, sure. Take him.

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9 minutes ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

what makes it well bred and genetically superior? It actually is a wild deer. it was on a managed property with supplemental feeding though. 

Look at that brisket, the way his neck is developed,..just looks like a pure bred show dog or a show horse. I look at a lot of spike bucks, none of them look like that.

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25 minutes ago, Buckstopshere said:

How 'bout this wild spike buck in my neck of the woods. Would you take him out of the gene pool, or let him go so he could grow?

Big spike buck Feb. 14th 2012 .jpg

body look like a classic 2 and a half year old. i probably wouldn't shoot him for another year. Half of that gene cocktail comes from the does so in the wild there is no telling what could come out of a breeding. 

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