Looking to Lease Hunting Land

[brandtlandmanagement]

Land Management company looking for land to lease in Chemung, Tioga, Steuben, Schuyler, Broome, Delaware, Cortland, and Chenango.  Large tracts of land are preferred (300-10,000 acre landowners).  Cash on hand with signed agreement.  Please feel free to give us a call at (717)-839-4030 or email us at [email protected]

[dmandoes]

what r u leasing it for and what r u paying for it?

[brandtlandmanagement]

We lease the hunting rights and then manage the hunting on and off the property.  Pay varies by property.  All properties have different amounts of farmed tillable, nonfarmed tillable, and wooded acreage.

[dmandoes]

do u outfit hunts?

[brandtlandmanagement]

No, we don't outfit hunts.  We lease the land and then sublet it to hunters.  We manage that resource for the landowners. 

Edited February 18, 2017 by brandtlandmanagement

[Lawdwaz]

A for profit organization. 

[Jeremy K]

How do you manage the hunting on and OFF the property?

[gjs4]

Middlemen aren't necessarily professionals at anything- they got there before you did.


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[growalot]

 Can I like that a..billion times

[brandtlandmanagement]

Thank you for your positive comments.  Best of luck to you all.

[tuckersdaddy]

How do you manage the hunting on and OFF the property?

Fair question....

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[brandtlandmanagement]

Sorry Jeremy, that was my error.   I only manage the hunting ON the properties we lease.  We set staged parking areas, have parking passes, limit the amount of hunters that can hunt, do archery only, shotgun only, mitigate liability, etc.

[dmandoes]

just checked out your website to see what u where charging for the hunting.  i'm in columbia county. i would like a free estimate of what you would be willing to pay me for leasing my land. if your interested.  i more than likely wont lease it out. 

[Bowshotmuzzleloader]

18 minutes ago, brandtlandmanagement said:

Sorry Jeremy, that was my error.   I only manage the hunting ON the properties we lease.  We set staged parking areas, have parking passes, limit the amount of hunters that can hunt, do archery only, shotgun only, mitigate liability, etc.

I don't see the problem with this,, some guys just don't have the resources to find good hunting spots in there area and it's getting tough where Im at for sure,,, getting a willing hunter in the woods is really the important thing in my mind just another tool in the box,,,  most won't use but one might ...

[brandtlandmanagement]

Thanks Jeremy.  Most landowners are terrified of the liability.  They want people to hunt their property, but fear in the world we live in today that they may be liable.  We take that out of the equation.  We also, help landowners that otherwise would lose their property due to financial restraints, pay their taxes.  Honestly, I'm proud of that.  Yes, we are for profit, but yes we do make a difference.  Thanks again for your sincere comments.  Have a great night!

[brandtlandmanagement]

18 minutes ago, dmandoes said:

just checked out your website to see what u where charging for the hunting.  i'm in columbia county. i would like a free estimate of what you would be willing to pay me for leasing my land. if your interested.  i more than likely wont lease it out. 

dmandoes, i'd love the opportunity to check it out and speak with you over the phone.  If there is a way to message me your number on here, that would be great.  If not, feel free to give me a call tomorrow at 717-839-4030 and we can talk about exactly what you have.  I'm going to be up in Susquehanna County, PA one day looking at a property and I could always swing up and see yours that day.

[The_Real_TCIII]

Is there any liability if no money changes hands?


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[brandtlandmanagement]

Great Question, so let me give you an example.  The Neighbor kid asks permission to play in your yard with your son/daughter, you say, "sure, no problem."  Neighbor kid uses your swing set which is old and rusty and the swing set snaps and the kids brakes his/her leg.  Do you think you are liable?  Possibly right?  Negligence?

Different situation:  You give permission for hunter to hunt your land and they put a ladder stand in a not so safe tree.  On a windy day, he/she is out hunting and the tree falls over and the hunter brakes his back.  Are you liable? Possibly right?

Here is another question, if you allow people to go on and off your property with permission, and something does happen.  Do you have the money to pay legal fees to defend your position if you are sued?

There is a theory in PA that if you turn a blind eye to whoever hunts and never give permission that you are not liable.  This is has stood up in a few court cases, but usually the Landowner knows or gives permission for the hunters to hunt, which in case changes the liability even though no money changes hands.

I'm not quite sure if I was a large landowner that I'd take that risk.  Why not take cash up front and have your liability handled by us and sleep well at night?

[Lawdwaz]

2 hours ago, brandtlandmanagement said:

Great Question, so let me give you an example.  The Neighbor kid asks permission to play in your yard with your son/daughter, you say, "sure, no problem."  Neighbor kid uses your swing set which is old and rusty and the swing set snaps and the kids brakes his/her leg.  Do you think you are liable?  Possibly right?  Negligence?

Different situation:  You give permission for hunter to hunt your land and they put a ladder stand in a not so safe tree.  On a windy day, he/she is out hunting and the tree falls over and the hunter brakes his back.  Are you liable? Possibly right?

Here is another question, if you allow people to go on and off your property with permission, and something does happen.  Do you have the money to pay legal fees to defend your position if you are sued?

There is a theory in PA that if you turn a blind eye to whoever hunts and never give permission that you are not liable.  This is has stood up in a few court cases, but usually the Landowner knows or gives permission for the hunters to hunt, which in case changes the liability even though no money changes hands.

I'm not quite sure if I was a large landowner that I'd take that risk.  Why not take cash up front and have your liability handled by us and sleep well at night?

So you being the manager; you guarantee to take ALL the liability?  

[Uncle Nicky]

I don't see any problem with someone leasing their land, a hunter paying for a lease, or a middleman making a buck in the process. It's common practice in a lot of the country, not so much in NY or PA. Best of luck in your venture.

The one thing I question though, the way the laws are written in NY & PA, isn't landowner liability INCREASED when you lease out your land? The way I understand the law in both states, there is very limited landowner liability involved if you give permission for others to hunt your property, but once you start charging a fee to hunt or use your land for other recreational pursuits, that becomes null & void. I'm assuming your company picks up the insurance once a landowner signs a contract?

[stubby68]

48 minutes ago, Uncle Nicky said:

I don't see any problem with someone leasing their land, a hunter paying for a lease, or a middleman making a buck in the process. It's common practice in a lot of the country, not so much in NY or PA. Best of luck in your venture.

The one thing I question though, the way the laws are written in NY & PA, isn't landowner liability INCREASED when you lease out your land? The way I understand the law in both states, there is very limited landowner liability involved if you give permission for others to hunt your property, but once you start charging a fee to hunt or use your land for other recreational pursuits, that becomes null & void. I'm assuming your company picks up the insurance once a landowner signs a contract?

                  A landowner can be held liable even by a tresspasser. I know a guy who lost his farm because someone tresspasser on his posted property and broke their leg. Our lease required me to get insurance to cover myself and anyone else in our party. Not really a big deal got 2 mill in  coverage for $237 a year. That's for over 400 acres and it covers me even when hunting on other properties as well. I also have limited coverage against tresspasser getting injured. I think it is 500,000.

[Uncle Nicky]

20 minutes ago, stubby68 said:

                  A landowner can be held liable even by a tresspasser. I know a guy who lost his farm because someone tresspasser on his posted property and broke their leg. Our lease required me to get insurance to cover myself and anyone else in our party. Not really a big deal got 2 mill in  coverage for $237 a year. That's for over 400 acres and it covers me even when hunting on other properties as well. I also have limited coverage against tresspasser getting injured. I think it is 500,000.

Wasn't in the mood to Google this morning, but here it is. I do realize that anyone can sue anyone for anything, and if the judge isn't knowledgeable or wants to prove some sort of a point, they can try, but the way it is supposed to work, you are not supposed to be held liable if someone gets hurt hunting on your property if you are not charging a fee to hunt there. If this weren't the case, nobody would give permission to let strangers hunt on their land. I do realize that the law is different once leasing or money comes into the picture.

NY: http://codes.findlaw.com/ny/general-obligations-law/gob-sect-9-103.html

PA: http://ilborough.com/FILES/Misc/Act 586 Recreational Use of Land and Water.pdf

[stubby68]

1 hour ago, Uncle Nicky said:

Wasn't in the mood to Google this morning, but here it is. I do realize that anyone can sue anyone for anything, and if the judge isn't knowledgeable or wants to prove some sort of a point, they can try, but the way it is supposed to work, you are not supposed to be held liable if someone gets hurt hunting on your property if you are not charging a fee to hunt there. If this weren't the case, nobody would give permission to let strangers hunt on their land. I do realize that the law is different once leasing or money comes into the picture.

NY: http://codes.findlaw.com/ny/general-obligations-law/gob-sect-9-103.html

PA: http://ilborough.com/FILES/Misc/Act 586 Recreational Use of Land and Water.pdf

Look it up under civil law. It is why there are a lot of land owners will not let snowmobile clubs up trails through their property. ALos why you need insurance on your sled. If rider goes off trail and hits a pile of wood covered with snow the land owner can be responsible it is also why they tell you if you catch a trespasser on your property you should escort them off not just tell them to leave. That way you can control how they leave and make sure they are not falling in a whole and getting hurt. The guy who lost his far fought it for years appealing it as much as he could. He lost.A land owner has a certain degree of responsible to keep all hazards on there property marked and as safe as possable. I know the law reads different but in a civil case those rules change. I'm not a lawyer just some one who has seen it happen. Also be r not involved in such as case. Actually 2 such cases. Not trying to rogue just saying there are other things to take into account.

[growalot]

the reason for my billion like post:

1. Only an idiot doesn't carry liability insurance on any of their properties...that would go to the swing analogy.

2. Stubby pointed out he, was required to buy his own coverage by the lessor. This is not rocket science .

3. If hunter would take the responsibility to just talk to the people who's land they want to hunt they can avoid  paying    that extra middle man cost.

4 . If a land owner truly wants to cover his land owning costs...They would do a little bit of their own research and have a plan in place when guys come calling...A solid contract and a reliable insurance firm to handle the insurance they should require...This could split what ever middle man cost that would have incurred, between them and the hunter. Take before and after pictures and require a permission tag  be on them. plate Numbers and vehicle descriptions.

I have nothing against making a buck...I have a problem with lazy land owners and hunters.

[Geno C]

so you lease land by the day rather than the season?