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Unless one is very wealthy, I don't think there are too many women who'd be happy with the husband spending up to $25K of the family finances to shoot an elephant.  I honestly don't know if I could blame them either.  I'd surely be pissed if she wanted to spend that much on jewelry or some other girlie nonsense.
 
 

This, like many other hobbies for the wealthy, seem to follow the same rule. If you have to ask how much, you can’t afford it.


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Would love to hunt. South Africa, but wondering if its safe to travel there.   I've been seeing on the news that their government is taking away farms / game farms away from their owners without compensations...that the minority population is starting to panic and flea...wondering how true this is

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On 8/22/2018 at 3:47 PM, mmkay said:

Would love to hunt. South Africa, but wondering if its safe to travel there.   I've been seeing on the news that their government is taking away farms / game farms away from their owners without compensations...that the minority population is starting to panic and flea...wondering how true this is

Like all media its only the badd news that sells ,there are some areas that have troubles with riots and such but always dissipate within a couple of hours .

Not life threatening at all at this stage , I live on our prime Limpopo hunting area and don't even have keys for my house everything is open .

Its just basic politics playing off government promised and did not deliver so people riot. 

The land issue is going to be a ongoing debate and fight for many years but its been like this for Tue last 25 years and we are still going strong 

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4 hours ago, ryno botma said:

Like all media its only the badd news that sells ,there are some areas that have troubles with riots and such but always dissipate within a couple of hours .

Not life threatening at all at this stage , I live on our prime Limpopo hunting area and don't even have keys for my house everything is open .

Its just basic politics playing off government promised and did not deliver so people riot. 

The land issue is going to be a ongoing debate and fight for many years but its been like this for Tue last 25 years and we are still going strong 

 

As you can imagine this is a big topic on a couple of African hunting forums.

Personally after a few trips now it wouldn't change my plans. One thing I always admire about the PH/outfitters I have worked with is your resilience in circumstances where Americans would be useless. Always ready to "make a plan". One PH lost family farm to Mugabe's war veterans and another growing up a stones throw from Angolan/ Namibia border during the bush war.

Travelling to hunt always requires careful research and working with top operators is a way to help reduce chances of a hunt going awry. 

 

That Bushpig in daylight; good stuff.:drinks:

Seven Leopard permits and 5 in Limpopo; its a start. Good luck.

 

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I  dont know but  I'm guessing the farmers and game farms are out in the middle of nowhere so there not going to see a problem until it is to late and the government goes  full blown Zimbabwe on them .  My doctor  is from there he moved  here because he was worried about this from years ago already . They made a mistake when they handed over power I think it should have been written in the constitution that you cant just take people's  land unless it's for a highway   and even then they should have to pay you a fair price .

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6 hours ago, Storm914 said:

I  dont know but  I'm guessing the farmers and game farms are out in the middle of nowhere so there not going to see a problem until it is to late and the government goes  full blown Zimbabwe on them .  My doctor  is from there he moved  here because he was worried about this from years ago already . They made a mistake when they handed over power I think it should have been written in the constitution that you cant just take people's  land unless it's for a highway   and even then they should have to pay you a fair price .

I don't want to derail this thread so my last comment on this;

But thats the whole point of this; the President of SA had publicly come out on changing their constitution to allow no compensation to be given for appropriated land. That's what happened in Zimbabwe. The Brits did give millions to SA govt to purchase land under the idea of "willing seller, willing buyer"; but those funds dried up years ago and the masses are wanting the process to happen faster for a handout.

There's way more to the recent articles like the one posted above. I urge folks to actually read up on the topic as headlines don't help those there, or make folks in the US look all that smart either. There is already a topic here in the political forum and numerous of African centered hunting forums on the web that are easy to find with a simple search for more discussion and outfitters chiming in as they see fit.

JMHO

 

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3 hours ago, Dinsdale said:

I don't want to derail this thread so my last comment on this;

But thats the whole point of this; the President of SA had publicly come out on changing their constitution to allow no compensation to be given for appropriated land. That's what happened in Zimbabwe. The Brits did give millions to SA govt to purchase land under the idea of "willing seller, willing buyer"; but those funds dried up years ago and the masses are wanting the process to happen faster for a handout.

There's way more to the recent articles like the one posted above. I urge folks to actually read up on the topic as headlines don't help those there, or make folks in the US look all that smart either. There is already a topic here in the political forum and numerous of African centered hunting forums on the web that are easy to find with a simple search for more discussion and outfitters chiming in as they see fit.

JMHO

 

Seeing  what  happened in Zimbabwe  which  happened in the 80s 

Before they gave up power in south Africa they should have made it clear in the constitution that the part about property rights could  not be changed with a vote at all .

And they would have no problems  at least with the population or any political party just being able to vote to change the constitution like they did . Or are going to do .

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I truley believe that the constitution will not be changed as this will just open a big can of worms , for we have 9 different black cultures or tribes if you want to call it that , so if the land is taken and redistributed to what tribe will it go to first , this will bring uprising amongst all in south Africa causing rebellion and cival war , on top of this most land have bonds on them so if land is taken without compensation the banks will also withdraw from South Africa hence a major economic hault and sanctions to follow which will be truly detrimental for the country ,the president is a business man and I'm sure he will see the implications that goes along with all this . I'm not  saying it wount happen but we have a good example right next door in Zimbabwe where it did not work at all so hopefully they learn from others mistakes .

 

But on a lighter note this is a hunting forum and hunting will continue as normal in south Africa , should this happen or not we as a hunting outfit will still have areas and quota to hunt and will always give a great experience to all who are willing to join us 

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2 hours ago, ryno botma said:

I truley believe that the constitution will not be changed as this will just open a big can of worms , for we have 9 different black cultures or tribes if you want to call it that , so if the land is taken and redistributed to what tribe will it go to first , this will bring uprising amongst all in south Africa causing rebellion and cival war , on top of this most land have bonds on them so if land is taken without compensation the banks will also withdraw from South Africa hence a major economic hault and sanctions to follow which will be truly detrimental for the country ,the president is a business man and I'm sure he will see the implications that goes along with all this . I'm not  saying it wount happen but we have a good example right next door in Zimbabwe where it did not work at all so hopefully they learn from others mistakes .

 

But on a lighter note this is a hunting forum and hunting will continue as normal in south Africa , should this happen or not we as a hunting outfit will still have areas and quota to hunt and will always give a great experience to all who are willing to join us 

I dont  know but from what I understand they can do it legally through your system of government which means if the economy keeps getting worse for those people your politicians may give in to what they want and change it .  Even if thats just going to make the economy worse . Scary stuff  hope it works out for you guys .

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This thread is EXCELLENT, must have missed it last year.  This will be a thing for me, in probably 13 years or so.  I've read everything Capstick ever published, this is way up on the top of my bucket list.  Kids are too young to go away for a week for a while unfortunately.

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If you have any questions regarding hunting in Africa please feel free to ask , planing a trip like this can take years of planing or just one impulsive decision and your on the next plane to the dark continent and before you know it you will be enjoying a cold one while watching a spectacular sunset IMG-20190620-WA0021.thumb.jpg.c4204e11f2c71d16463a0b17eebdce94.jpg

Soul food ...

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On 7/1/2019 at 6:31 PM, UpStateRedNeck said:

This thread is EXCELLENT, must have missed it last year.  This will be a thing for me, in probably 13 years or so.  I've read everything Capstick ever published, this is way up on the top of my bucket list.  Kids are too young to go away for a week for a while unfortunately.

I never read Capstick til after a couple trips to southern Africa, he spins a good yarn and is a fun read.

But for more realistic and true stories of contemporary hunting I'd suggest.....

Buzz Charltons new book; his hunting how to videos are outstanding also.

Wayne Grants "Into the Thorns".

Ian Nyschens (pronounced like 'nations') "Months of the Sun"

Richard Harland's "the Hunting Imperative".

Any articles and You Tube interviews of the late Don Heath (also known as "Ganyana", ie 'wild dog')

"Safari Press" is a good resource to find books and dvds.https://www.safaripress.com/

 

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LOL......I've read a few of Chapstick's books and enjoyed them all.  My sophistication level on African hunting could certainly use a tune up of sorts with the books mentioned above.  

The damn well better have lots of pictures.....................

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