Bows tuned

[moog5050]

Finally satisfied with the tune on the two bows I will hunt with in 2018.   

First is a Border Covert Hunter ilf riser with Uukha VX+ limbs at around 51lbs with Easton axis 260s cut to 30” with 90g inserts and 250g vpa 3 blade heads. 

Second is a Border tempest ilf with morrison max 5 limbs at about 53lbs with GT traditional 300 shafts 32” and 300g vpa heads.  

It’s always good when you are confident on tune and how you are shooting.  Last year was a struggle at this time of year.  No more messing around.  Just practice single shots from here on. 

Bring it one Deer.   

[rob-c]

Very nice.. 

[stubborn1VT]

Will you hunt with a compound at all this season Moog?

 

[Lawdwaz]

Those recurve limbs are LONG!!

[moog5050]

1 minute ago, Lawdwaz said:

Those recurve limbs are LONG!!

Both are 62” bows.  And it’s funnt how people think 34” compound is too long for hunting. 

[moog5050]

5 minutes ago, stubborn1VT said:

Will you hunt with a compound at all this season Moog?

 

The plan is a compound only if I am sitting a blind. Otherwise I will stick with the curves.   There are a few stands that are too tight for these bows but I will avoid them unless I have a very strong belief I need to sit em.  I am not a snob about compounds and will use one when needed. But have greater satisfaction when hunting with the recurves for whatever reason.   For me, there is something magical about a pure shot with fingers from a single string.  

[stubborn1VT]

Good for you.  I was just curious.  I still shoot fingers, and have never tried a release.  I would like to try a Trad bow someday.  Anything killed with a stick and string would be a trophy in my book.  I really would like to give a try, but I would also hedge my bets with my compound.

[moog5050]

7 minutes ago, stubborn1VT said:

Good for you.  I was just curious.  I still shoot fingers, and have never tried a release.  I would like to try a Trad bow someday.  Anything killed with a stick and string would be a trophy in my book.  I really would like to give a try, but I would also hedge my bets with my compound.

I hedged bets first two years hunting trad.  Would kill some early season does with a recurve and then switch to compound come rut.  The next season I stuck with the recurve and killed my best buck at 25yds.  It was a confidence booster.  As long as I am shooting well and confident, I don’t think it’s much of a handicap.    Give it a go.  You may just get hooked.  

[biggamefish]

  I was getting worried this season I switched to a tab around June. Bareshafted and things looked good, only for my groups to get worse and worse. I finally switched back to a glove and boom i am back in the game. I went out to 30 yards last night first shot was in the money and then 2 low shots but the arrows were touching! I will take that. I would never shoot out at 30 but it is nice to know you can hit something. Plus it makes your groups so much better at 20! 

Good luck this season. Aim small Miss Small.

[moog5050]

22 minutes ago, biggamefish said:

  I was getting worried this season I switched to a tab around June. Bareshafted and things looked good, only for my groups to get worse and worse. I finally switched back to a glove and boom i am back in the game. I went out to 30 yards last night first shot was in the money and then 2 low shots but the arrows were touching! I will take that. I would never shoot out at 30 but it is nice to know you can hit something. Plus it makes your groups so much better at 20! 

Good luck this season. Aim small Miss Small.

Don’t give up on the tab.  It took me a full year going and back and forth before I completely switched to a tab.  I would never go back now.  Release is so much cleaner.  Perhaps try again post season.  Good luck this season. 

[stubborn1VT]

23 hours ago, moog5050 said:

Don’t give up on the tab.  It took me a full year going and back and forth before I completely switched to a tab.  I would never go back now.  Release is so much cleaner.  Perhaps try again post season.  Good luck this season. 

Is there a tab that you would recommend?  I have shot a glove for close to 30 years, but it only makes sense that the string would come off a tab better.

[moog5050]

1 hour ago, stubborn1VT said:

Is there a tab that you would recommend?  I have shot a glove for close to 30 years, but it only makes sense that the string would come off a tab better.

The only one I shoot is a safari tuff tab.  They last forever too.   The right shape and thickness for me.  

[grampy]

moog, is there a bow/arrow, set up that you would recommend for someone just getting into traditional archery?

Something, that would not break the bank, if it doesn't work out?  Think budget here. Thanks!

[biggamefish]

Moog I do agree the tab is a cleaner release. I will definitely fool with it more next year. I just couldn't get it to work and time is of the essence right now!!   

[biggamefish]

1 hour ago, grampy said:

moog, is there a bow/arrow, set up that you would recommend for someone just getting into traditional archery?

Something, that would not break the bank, if it doesn't work out?  Think budget here. Thanks!

Grampy, 

 I would look at a bow in the 40 to 45 pound range to start. You can pick up some real decent used bows on some of the traditional forum for a good price. Starting with a low poundage will let the newbie work on form and not pick up bad habits like short drawing. Another thing to think about is length of bow, the longer the bow the more forgiving it is. Meaning you can have an alright release and still get good shots where a short bow will amplify the little mistakes in form.

My second bow was a Martin Vision and it is a solid great shooting bow. They are no longer in production to my knowledge but if you can find one used, it would be a great starter bow.  

[moog5050]

6 hours ago, biggamefish said:

Moog I do agree the tab is a cleaner release. I will definitely fool with it more next year. I just couldn't get it to work and time is of the essence right now!!   

I get it.  I wouldn’t change now either.  But if you start practicing with it post season you can make the switch.  It’s not easy because you start by screwing up accuracy.  Eventually you will become accustomed to it and shoot better than ever.  Need to commit no matter how the shots look for a while. It’s not only a cleaner release, it’s also easier to feel your anchor with skin on skin and no glove in the way.  IMO.  

[sodfather]

How do you shoot consistently with no sights is that just endless practice?

[moog5050]

7 hours ago, grampy said:

moog, is there a bow/arrow, set up that you would recommend for someone just getting into traditional archery?

Something, that would not break the bank, if it doesn't work out?  Think budget here. Thanks!

Dave, happy to loan you a riser and some 25lb limbs to give it a go for a while.  With your shoulder, I would start light (no more than 30) with a goal of shooting 40lbs by next season.  Plenty to kill Deer.  If you want to buy, I would suggest a black bear warf and some cheap axiom limbs to start.  Both can be had used and when you are ready for more weight, just buy the limbs you want.  Trad tech limbs are highly regarded for $150 new or $100 used.   The warf is an old bear compound that guys convert to a 21” ilf riser.  I have one and it’s a great riser that can be had for $100.  A set of axiom limbs is less than $100 new I think.   Same set up Natalie shoots.  Seriously you are welcome to borrow some.  The warf and medium limbs will make a 64” bow.  Should be perfect combo of foregiveness and not too long to hunt.   Just text me. 

[moog5050]

1 minute ago, sodfather said:

How do you shoot consistently with no sights is that just endless practice?

Consistently is a relative term. Lol  Yep lots of practice.  I probably shoot arrows on average 5 days a week.  If I didn’t have an indoor range at home, it would make it even harder to stay on top of it.  

But I do use the riser window and arrow as a rough form of aiming/sighting.  Lots of guys gap off the arrrow tip.  My gaps are too big to be practical because i anchor low so I use the sight window instead.  Aiming is not really the hard part although clear it’s less consistent than a peep and pins.   Most bad shots come from a form break down in my opinion.  Just much tougher to be consistent in form with single string.  No back wall, no drop away rest and shooting fingers is the challenge.  

[sodfather]

1 hour ago, moog5050 said:

Consistently is a relative term. Lol  Yep lots of practice.  I probably shoot arrows on average 5 days a week.  If I didn’t have an indoor range at home, it would make it even harder to stay on top of it.  

But I do use the riser window and arrow as a rough form of aiming/sighting.  Lots of guys gap off the arrrow tip.  My gaps are too big to be practical because i anchor low so I use the sight window instead.  Aiming is not really the hard part although clear it’s less consistent than a peep and pins.   Most bad shots come from a form break down in my opinion.  Just much tougher to be consistent in form with single string.  No back wall, no drop away rest and shooting fingers is the challenge.  

Hats off to you brother that’s impressive 

[stubborn1VT]

I think it would be harder to do without sights than wheels/cams/let off!

[moog5050]

54 minutes ago, stubborn1VT said:

I think it would be harder to do without sights than wheels/cams/let off!

Try it.  You may have a different experience.  But I have shot single string with a sight (no peep) and I didn’t score any better.  About the same.   My bad shots are usually not the result of bad aiming.  

[grampy]

On 9/4/2018 at 5:04 PM, moog5050 said:

Finally satisfied with the tune on the two bows I will hunt with in 2018.   

First is a Border Covert Hunter ilf riser with Uukha VX+ limbs at around 51lbs with Easton axis 260s cut to 30” with 90g inserts and 250g vpa 3 blade heads. 

Second is a Border tempest ilf with morrison max 5 limbs at about 53lbs with GT traditional 300 shafts 32” and 300g vpa heads.  

It’s always good when you are confident on tune and how you are shooting.  Last year was a struggle at this time of year.  No more messing around.  Just practice single shots from here on. 

Bring it one Deer.   

Man, those sure are beautiful bows Brian. Won't be long now,  until we see one of em in a pic, laying across a big ol' WNY buck!