Lamoka Point

[erussell]

This spring while digging up his Tatter patch my Dad found an arrow head. I got a look at it yesterday and did some comparisons with other heads on the internet and found it wasnt an arrowhead at all but possibly a Lamoka atlatl head that could be around 2500 to 3000 BC old. He said he also found an spear head in the ditch in front of the house about 25 yrs ago and he would look around and see if he could find it. Im going to crap myself if its a clovis spear head. On a funny note my Mom told my Dad not to tell me what he found so I wouldn't be out there digging up the garden looking for them.

Here's the closest pic of what he found.

[Lawdwaz]

Very cool find.  Very, very cool to find it in your garden ;D

[nyslowhand]

    Sure you did some web searches...!

    There are very few known Clovis  sites, especially in NY; ie: Lamoka Lake.

    Not to burst your bubble, but those are more than likely Iroquois relics.

    But, any thing is possible.....!

    Very neat finds, all the same!!!!!!

    I have some Iroquois arrow points & trade beads from the  Geneva & Bloomfield  area settlements. Kool!!

[Geno C]

cool find! is it worth anything?

[Doewhacker]

Looks like one of my Dad's broadheads, lol  ;D

[fasteddie]

Looks like one of my Dad's broadheads, lol  ;D

Looks like one of Doc's arrow heads !  ???

[WNYBuckHunter]

Looks like one of my Dad's broadheads, lol  ;D

Looks like one of Doc's arrow heads !  ???

Thats one of his newer ones too

[erussell]

    Sure you did some web searches...!

  There are very few known Clovis  sites, especially in NY; ie: Lamoka Lake.

  Not to burst your bubble, but those are more than likely Iroquois relics.

  But, any thing is possible.....!

  Very neat finds, all the same!!!!!!

    I have some Iroquois arrow points & trade beads from the  Geneva & Bloomfield  area settlements. Kool!!

Hard to tell what it is really, even with the tip broken off it would have been almost 2 inches long and the closest thing I could find from the hundreds of picks would be a lamoka. Here is a site to an area down the road that they have found lamoka points at also. http://www.susquehanna-wd.com/iam_article_Vestal.html

The spear point I havent really got a clue what it is. Its about 6 inches long and an inch and a half wide. It came in a dump truck load of dirt from somewhere along the Susquehana river. Its very old whatever it is. Ill try to get some pics up and see if anyone knows what it is.

[erussell]

My mom also found an Iroquois head on the american side of the saint lawrence river. It was in a sand pile and looked like it was just knapped and dropped there.This one is a true arrow head and is only about an inch long.

[nyslowhand]

Vestal points, I did not know about that, interesting!!!!

I'm more familiar with Iroquois history, 600AD and beyond.

Let me know when your Mom & Dad go to church, we'll dig up the garden. LOL

[erussell]

Vestal points, I did not know about that, interesting!!!!

I'm more familiar with Iroquois history, 600AD and beyond.

Let me know when your Mom & Dad go to church, we'll dig up the garden. LOL

Interesting article from wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois

From this, the points could be from any multitude of tribes because of the Iroquois practice of integrating there captured enemies into there tribes to replace war losses.

" "It has been a constant maxim with the Five Nations, to save children and young men of the people they conquer, to adopt them into their own Nation, and to educate them as their own children, without distinction; These young people soon forget their own country and nation and by this policy the Five Nations make up the losses which their nation suffers by the people they lose in war." By 1668, two-thirds of the Oneida village were assimilated Algonquians and Hurons. At Onondaga there were Native Americans of seven different nations and among the Seneca eleven.^[32]"

And as close as the Mohican nations were to Broome county it could have been anyone.

[nyslowhand]

Also could have been from the Tuscarora, the Iroquois adopted this tri-ethnic tribe as the 6th nation.

Believe they were allowed to settle in your area in the early 1700s.

Of course, that was just before George Washington ordered the Iroquois driven from NYS.

[erussell]

Could have been from a susquahanok also. They were scrapping with the Iroquois for a long time and right where I live the two territories come together along with the Delaware to.

[Buckstopshere]

Cool find! Always fun to find!

My guess is that it is a Brewerton head, a little later than the Lamoka, but there is an overlap. One of the diagnostic aspects of Lamoka heads is their unfinished bases.

Susquehanna points are mostly all made of purple-colored rhyolite (volcanic rock.) That head appears to be chert.

Anyway, the head pictured is typed as much (thousands of years) earlier than the Iroquoian tradition. Iroquois points are primarily triangular and termed Madison points.

All my heads, scrapers, adzes, etc. were found in the Genesee River Valley. Brewertons and Lamokas are the most common here.

[erussell]

Holy crap thats an awesome collection!!