DEC new Regulations Buck only

[Doc]

As far as changing the closing date for the lottery, that probably won't be happening.

If all seasons go to the DMP system, they would have to change the dates to allow early season hunters (Bow) to get their DMPs in time for opening day. Why wouldnt they change the dates?

And just where did you read that bit of information?

[burmjohn]

As far as changing the closing date for the lottery, that probably won't be happening.

If all seasons go to the DMP system, they would have to change the dates to allow early season hunters (Bow) to get their DMPs in time for opening day. Why wouldnt they change the dates?

And just where did you read that bit of information?

I'd have to agree, they would need to make it earlier, it would only make sense.  And the 2nd leftover deal should be moved up as well.

[Doc]

As far as changing the closing date for the lottery, that probably won't be happening.

If all seasons go to the DMP system, they would have to change the dates to allow early season hunters (Bow) to get their DMPs in time for opening day. Why wouldnt they change the dates?

And just where did you read that bit of information?

I'd have to agree, they would need to make it earlier, it would only make sense.  And the 2nd leftover deal should be moved up as well.

Ok then, I'll ask you the same question: where did you read that bit of info? frankly, I can only base my opinions on what I see written. If it's not in current law or stated in that 5 year plan, then it doesn't exist. I'm not going to get into the game of wishful thinking or hoping that maybe for the first time the DEC might begin to engage in logical thinking.

[burmjohn]

As far as changing the closing date for the lottery, that probably won't be happening.

If all seasons go to the DMP system, they would have to change the dates to allow early season hunters (Bow) to get their DMPs in time for opening day. Why wouldnt they change the dates?

And just where did you read that bit of information?

I'd have to agree, they would need to make it earlier, it would only make sense.  And the 2nd leftover deal should be moved up as well.

Ok then, I'll ask you the same question: where did you read that bit of info? frankly, I can only base my opinions on what I see written. If it's not in current law or stated in that 5 year plan, then it doesn't exist. I'm not going to get into the game of wishful thinking or hoping that maybe for the first time the DEC might begin to engage in logical thinking.

I didn't read it anywhere, just saying it would make sense   If you going to change what we can take and substitute it via the DMP lottery then logically it would be moved to an earlier time so you can still hunt as you did before.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Hey Doc,

I don't believe they outlined exactly how they would be implementing the plan. the nust and bolts...how manys and whens.....were not printed....for anything they set in the plan. I think the details would need to be established. I think this is a perfect opportunity for us as a group to get in their ear. if they are changing the system and the finer points are not cast in stone....let them hear us rather than saying "oh damn they didn't do it like we wanted"

I am already drafting my letters. let's face it. with license sales only a couple weeks away we have at least a year to get our opinions out there

[Doc]

Hey Doc,

I don't believe they outlined exactly how they would be implementing the plan. the nust and bolts...how manys and whens.....were not printed....for anything they set in the plan. I think the details would need to be established. I think this is a perfect opportunity for us as a group to get in their ear. if they are changing the system and the finer points are not cast in stone....let them hear us rather than saying "oh damn they didn't do it like we wanted"

I am already drafting my letters. let's face it. with license sales only a couple weeks away we have at least a year to get our opinions out there

Unfortunately, the devil is in the details, and so is my pro or con opinion on the general acceptance of any of the major bullets of their planned changes. I can't just make up assumptions and then say that everything will come out right.

Naturally, I will be drafting letters of opinion to send to the DEC and legislators with any concerns that I have. However, I know from such past efforts not to expect miracles .

[Culvercreek hunt club]

But we gotta try....it is all we have as an option

[covert]

With all the concern with how many tags there might or might not be I'm surprised anyone still hunted back when you only got a buck tag and possibly an antlerless party permit. Guys get way to rapped up in "how many" instead of "how much fun".

I was just thinking that myself.

If they said I could only hunt one day a year with just a doe only tag and a spoon.. I'd be out on that day looking to take my first whitetail with a spoon... now that would be a challenge!

As long as you keep you cross-spoon out of archery season!  Or would it be spoon-gun?  Or maybe spoon-bow?     

[Doc]

But we gotta try....it is all we have as an option

You've got that right! And that's why I keep on writing. If nothing else, I get the satisfaction of letting them know that somebody out here is paying attention.....lol.

[growalot]

    I would think...seeing they have already tied archery to ML with  the either or tag ...it will remain the same,with this being the  case....if you buy both...you get a buck tag for archery or muzzle....as  well as being able to use reg buck tag in muzzle if they weren't used  in first two seasons....Then you'll draw for DMPs to be used in any of  the three seasons...

Now if you are archery only...or muzzle  only...you'll get a buck tag...and be in drawing for DMP's....so ML is  just going to be a catch all season...mop up as it were for the first  two...like they plan on using it in high density areas during  archery....my best guess http://huntingny.com/forums/Smileys/akyhne/undecided.gif[/img]             

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In other words...if you hunt in a high and a low zone you'll going to have to be very careful whether  or not you use your doe tags early if you want to hunt late ml

[burmjohn]

Yeah but thats been the case always if you are a bow hunter and a ML hunter

[growalot]

Not for me...I used the buck and 1 DMP in bow.... had  second buck and DMPS for gun and a either or for ML...That way I could go down and watch Dad in- law at camp when he went ML...other wise I would not have had a tag in 8x to ML...Camp has always be 0-1 tag area...where at home it's been 1-3..up until last year ....I'm just glad that when getting life times I opted not to get the ML one

[burmjohn]

I didnt either, I got the bow and the regular lifetime.  I wait until I know how my season is going.

[growalot]

Doc...it just hit me.....what the DEC reminds me of...the guy that shot him self in the foot two years in a row ??? ....lets hope that they keep the safety on ...as it were.... with these "proposals"...listen to all feed back carefully so they don't end up crippling them selves with a accidental discharge

[WNYBuckHunter]

If you get sportsman and bow you get buck and an either sex......if you buy sportsman and ml....you get buck and either sex......go buy the bow with it or after.......you get an antlerless only

Gottcha, Ive just always bought the Super Sportsman

[WNYBuckHunter]

As far as changing the closing date for the lottery, that probably won't be happening.

If all seasons go to the DMP system, they would have to change the dates to allow early season hunters (Bow) to get their DMPs in time for opening day. Why wouldnt they change the dates?

And just where did you read that bit of information?

Seriously? You need to read that to figure out what they would have to do? Come on Doc, you arent stupid, you can put 2 and 2 together. DEC says your chances for DMPs would be greater and that you would have to use them during bow season instead of the either sex tag, logic says the DMP drawings have to happen, or at least start, well before opening day of bow season.

Thats whats annoying me about this, you guys are sitting here making all kinds of crazy assumptions about what tags youll get, what your chances will be at a DMP, etc etc, but something that makes sense given the information that is available, like figuring out the DMP drawings would have to start earlier, seems to escape you. Its downright silly.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Hey Doc,

I don't believe they outlined exactly how they would be implementing the plan. the nust and bolts...how manys and whens.....were not printed....for anything they set in the plan. I think the details would need to be established. I think this is a perfect opportunity for us as a group to get in their ear. if they are changing the system and the finer points are not cast in stone....let them hear us rather than saying "oh damn they didn't do it like we wanted"

I am already drafting my letters. let's face it. with license sales only a couple weeks away we have at least a year to get our opinions out there

DEC is reading this forum and taking notes. Some members were emailed copies of the clarification that was sent out.

On this DEC page there is an address to send letters about the plan to, and an email link as well. I dont know if they will still be looking at them, they gave  the date of July 28th to submit comments...

http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/7211.html

[WNYBuckHunter]

Not for me...I used the buck and 1 DMP in bow.... had  second buck and DMPS for gun and a either or for ML...That way I could go down and watch Dad in- law at camp when he went ML...other wise I would not have had a tag in 8x to ML...Camp has always be 0-1 tag area...where at home it's been 1-3..up until last year ....I'm just glad that when getting life times I opted not to get the ML one

But the way you used your tags was your choice. You chose to not use one of them in early season. You can do the same under the proposed system.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

She could...but chances are there will be one less........will be missing the guaranteed antlerless. The special licenses were the only guaranteed antlerless for many low percentage area hunters.

[SteveB]

  The special licenses were the only guaranteed antlerless for many low percentage area hunters.

Which allowed the taking of a doe in areas where few/none should be shot.

[Doc]

Seriously? You need to read that to figure out what they would have to do? Come on Doc, you arent stupid, you can put 2 and 2 together. DEC says your chances for DMPs would be greater and that you would have to use them during bow season instead of the either sex tag, logic says the DMP drawings have to happen, or at least start, well before opening day of bow season.

Thats whats annoying me about this, you guys are sitting here making all kinds of crazy assumptions about what tags youll get, what your chances will be at a DMP, etc etc, but something that makes sense given the information that is available, like figuring out the DMP drawings would have to start earlier, seems to escape you. Its downright silly.

Well first of all, don't be mixing me in with those that have been trying to figure how many tags we are getting. I haven't even begun to delve into that one yet. So I am consistant in not making any assumptions on this issue. I can only go by what the current situations are and what is written in the plan. I will leave all the wishful thinking to those of you who need that sort of thing to justify your argument.

[growalot]

thats another problem...see I hunt 8x...and it has always been low...now they've had a # of rough winters ..fawn kills and yes not a huge ag area where camp is...YET....every year it is not uncommon to look out and see 15-30 deer together....most doe groups are 5-8 with 4 being adult females....these deer are not migrating to the areas that have few doe....the DEC can not micro manage pockets of concentrated deer with in a unit...surrounding us are huge areas of privite highly patroled hunting lands with very few hunters using them...large acrage dedicated to the state college and Alfred University...there needs to be some off set with in a management unit to take care of such areas...the garentteed tag was it ..IMO...Our doe take is always higher than the buck take....that is what you see...and it is an area that is choked with buckthorn every where...deer just hang out protected...even the heartiest guy has a hard time against thousands of 3in'' long needles and 60 degree inclines and flowing streams just inches under foot

[Culvercreek hunt club]

  The special licenses were the only guaranteed antlerless for many low percentage area hunters.

Which allowed the taking of a doe in areas where few/none should be shot.

I am in agreement in the need for this. I am more concerned with the implimentation. I was just explaining the concern I am hearing from many friends

[SteveB]

Culver - I understand. No easy answers.

[orion]

"Not for me...I used the buck and 1 DMP in bow.... had  second buck and DMPS for gun and a either or for ML..."

How do you have an either or left for ML?