Watching Biden makes me want to barf

[BowmanMike]

2 hours ago, Buckmaster7600 said:

Punish success and reward failure, I sure hope you didn’t procreate!


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Success at what cost? You telling me a hedge fund manager works so hard he deserves to make absurd amounts of money? Or Jeff Bezos? 

Oh wait,i forgot,this is the land of unbridled capitalism.

You are delusional if you think that that money in the hands of a few is not creating problems for the rest of us. 

And you are lucky,i did not recreate. Plenty of people far less equipped for parenthood have though,so have fun dealing with them,which you are in your line of work.

[rachunter]

5 hours ago, BowmanMike said:

Yes,i do. The income inequality of today is unprecedented. Top earners in a company making more than 400 times what the lowest paid worker makes? Why? 

Everybody bitches about the welfare folks costing us money,but that is nothing compared to what the ultra ultra rich dont pay. Then you guys call it smart business,like a certain ex-pres paying less than you or me.

And i dont care what political affiliation these ultra rich folks have,it is sick to want more. Who deserves to make 500 million a year? God maybe. 

That money is made but screwing somebody or something up along the way.

Wealth distribution was more equal in the middle ages than today.

So yes,a cap would be a great idea or a very steep tax once you are worth more than 100 mil.

So if someone is willing to take a chance and makes the right investments they should be penalized for it and anything over the cap should go to someone not willing to take a chance?

I just read about socialism and it sounds like a bunch of freeloaders that want to ride the coattails of others instead of making it for themselves.

Here's a good story about going from rages to riches.

 

[Grouse]

Why is it leftists always claim people don't pay enough taxes, but never seem to think the government spends too much money?

[BowmanMike]

49 minutes ago, rachunter said:

So if someone is willing to take a chance and makes the right investments they should be penalized for it and anything over the cap should go to someone not willing to take a chance?

I just read about socialism and it sounds like a bunch of freeloaders that want to ride the coattails of others instead of making it for themselves.

Here's a good story about going from rages to riches.

 

Too bad he is getting sued for his riches...

[rachunter]

1 hour ago, BowmanMike said:

Too bad he is getting sued for his riches...

Ok that wasn't fair I had a feeling you didn't like him,But the piont was he made his own wealth why should anyone be entitled to any of it?

How about this lady she beat the odds: https://achievement.org/achiever/oprah-winfrey/#biography 

 

[9jNYstarkOH]

3 hours ago, BowmanMike said:

Success at what cost? You telling me a hedge fund manager works so hard he deserves to make absurd amounts of money? Or Jeff Bezos? 

Oh wait,i forgot,this is the land of unbridled capitalism.

You are delusional if you think that that money in the hands of a few is not creating problems for the rest of us. 

And you are lucky,i did not recreate. Plenty of people far less equipped for parenthood have though,so have fun dealing with them,which you are in your line of work.

Bezo was not as rich if you figure for inflation as of sept 2020 (newest comparison I could find) than Rockefeller was, the only thing that has changed is now people feel entitled to someone else’s wealth earned by hard work, investments or innovations instead of earning some for their selves. Take it from a man who grew up dirt floor poor and believes he is doing quiet well now, peoples financial situations will not change unless they want them to and will only better themselves through hard work and earning a living and striving for said living. Not getting handouts as the money is usually squandered as it’s easy come easy go when one has no vested interest in it and just feels entitled to it.

This has always been the land of capitalism why change it now. Because someone sitting at Starbucks bitching on Facebook from their $1200 iPhone is complaining about their student loan payments for their liberal arts degree screw that. Know this is coming from someone who’s wife has a masters degree and the debt that comes along with it that can not work in that field now do to medical issues. She took on that debt and as we are married we are responsible for that dept not you or anyone else.

How has the money in the hands of the few created problems for the rest more so than it has from the rest of entirety? As far as the USA goes people gaming the system for three generations have a pretty high standard of living often much better than a hard working person through our history. (I see ebt cards all the time paying for cart loads of redbull and candy as we buy are normal groceries)

[Shoots100]

10 hours ago, BowmanMike said:

Yes,i do. The income inequality of today is unprecedented. Top earners in a company making more than 400 times what the lowest paid worker makes? Why? 

Everybody bitches about the welfare folks costing us money,but that is nothing compared to what the ultra ultra rich dont pay. Then you guys call it smart business,like a certain ex-pres paying less than you or me.

And i dont care what political affiliation these ultra rich folks have,it is sick to want more. Who deserves to make 500 million a year? God maybe. 

That money is made but screwing somebody or something up along the way.

Wealth distribution was more equal in the middle ages than today.

So yes,a cap would be a great idea or a very steep tax once you are worth more than 100 mil.

Who are you to tell anyone that they make to much money ?

I think socialists are the most lazy good for nothing leeches in the world.

If one ever worked for money, they wouldn't be so eager to have it taken away.

The have not's are telling the Haves what they can do or not do ?

F that and the horse they rode in on.

I'll give them my money, but it'll be shoved down their throats til their shitting dollar bills.

In the early days, I didn't even take a pay check.

I paid my guys and if something was left over, I was happy.

It took years of hard work for my company to get where it is and my guys are paid well, because they earn it.

I didn't ask for hand outs and never will and I have no problem giving a helping hand to those that need help.

Those people need to ask for help, not just sit around telling us they deserve help.

Throwing money around never helps in the long run.

Feed a man a fish and he eats one meal, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime. 

I know that's a concept a socialist cannot comprehend.

And if you have a problem with the Tax codes, take it up with the IRS.

Ex pres Trump hires an accounting firm to do his tax's, like I do.

They get paid to help me keep as much of my hard earned dollars in my bank account, not yours.

 

Edited February 24, 2021 by Shoots100

[Grouse]

Socialists think people have to work hard to get paid a lot.

They don't understand those who make a lot work smart!

Take away Bezo's money and you take away your Amazon deliveries.

Take away Gate's money and you take away your PC software.

Take away Elon's money and you take away your Tesla's.

In America people are paid what they're worth.  If you think you're underpaid, you're wrong.  You're just not proving your worth.  Nobody pays more for anything than they have to, including employers.  No business man earns a lot, unless the people are willing to give them their money for what he's selling.

People doing it legally should never be criticized for what they make.  People scamming the system and extorting money are the problem.  Focus on them and applaud those who are doing it the right way.

 

[BowmanMike]

I dont want any rich mans money,i am doing ok without government assistance. 

All i am saying that there is abuse on both sides of the money spectrum,some welfare folks are playing the system and some very wealthy folks are as well. You guys only ever bitch about the poor ones.

I stand by my statement that the money the ultra rich dont pay is a bigger amount than the poor are scamming. Of course there are no figures to support either case.

[Grouse]

The money the ultra rich don't pay?  So are you saying they are somehow avoiding their legally required taxes?  Or the tax laws don't require them to pay more?  To say they don't pay more insinuates they are doing something wrong.  Do you believe they are?  How?

[Shoots100]

1 hour ago, BowmanMike said:

I dont want any rich mans money,i am doing ok without government assistance. 

All i am saying that there is abuse on both sides of the money spectrum,some welfare folks are playing the system and some very wealthy folks are as well. You guys only ever bitch about the poor ones.

I stand by my statement that the money the ultra rich dont pay is a bigger amount than the poor are scamming. Of course there are no figures to support either case.

What you should be doing, is questioning your socialist leaders, asking where the Billions of dollars are going, instead of worrying about the Ultra Rich ?

Here's the stats from the NYS Comptroller and show's you where your tax dollars are Going to, with a Majority going to welfare and "Assistance" programs(IE; Voter payouts going to the unions and the people that need "Assistance" for their guaranteed votes.) and why NYS is in debt up to it's eyeballs and is #2 on the list of debt burdened states.

New York State Ranks Second Highest in Outstanding Debt Nationwide

• At the end of State Fiscal Year (SFY) 2019-20, the State reported the following debt levels:
  • $2.1 billion of constitutionally-authorized, voter-approved general obligation debt, a decrease of 22.2 percent since SFY 2015-16.
  • $54.2 billion of State-Supported debt, an increase of 7.9 percent since SFY 2015-16.
  • $60.9 billion of debt reported in accordance with Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP), an increase of 7.4 percent since SFY 2015-16.
  • $66.2 billion of State-Funded debt, an increase of 5.1 percent since SFY 2015-16. This is the State Comptroller’s more comprehensive measure of the State’s debt burden, which includes certain obligations that are not recognized under GAAP or within the measure of State-Supported debt. It recognizes debt where the State makes payments with State resources, directly or indirectly, to a public authority, bank trustee or other municipal issuer. More than 96 percent of State-Funded debt has been issued by public authorities without voter approval.
• In 2019, New York State had the second highest debt burden, behind only California. It was fifth-highest among all states in debt per capita.
• At the end of SFY 2019-20, State-Funded debt outstanding per capita was $3,393. State-Funded debt was equivalent to 4.8 percent of state personal income.

This isn't an Ultra rich problem, it's a progressive liberal/socialist problem, as liberalism only works till you run out of other peoples money, the other people being Tax payers, as the Ultra rich are smart enough to take their money elsewhere.

[Shoots100]

Just now, Shoots100 said:

More than 96 percent of State-Funded debt has been issued by public authorities without voter approval.

This is why King Cuomo is called the King.

[Grouse]

[BowmanMike]

1 hour ago, Shoots100 said:

What you should be doing, is questioning your socialist leaders, asking where the Billions of dollars are going, instead of worrying about the Ultra Rich ?

Here's the stats from the NYS Comptroller and show's you where your tax dollars are Going to, with a Majority going to welfare and "Assistance" programs(IE; Voter payouts going to the unions and the people that need "Assistance" for their guaranteed votes.) and why NYS is in debt up to it's eyeballs and is #2 on the list of debt burdened states.

New York State Ranks Second Highest in Outstanding Debt Nationwide

• At the end of State Fiscal Year (SFY) 2019-20, the State reported the following debt levels:
  • $2.1 billion of constitutionally-authorized, voter-approved general obligation debt, a decrease of 22.2 percent since SFY 2015-16.
  • $54.2 billion of State-Supported debt, an increase of 7.9 percent since SFY 2015-16.
  • $60.9 billion of debt reported in accordance with Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP), an increase of 7.4 percent since SFY 2015-16.
  • $66.2 billion of State-Funded debt, an increase of 5.1 percent since SFY 2015-16. This is the State Comptroller’s more comprehensive measure of the State’s debt burden, which includes certain obligations that are not recognized under GAAP or within the measure of State-Supported debt. It recognizes debt where the State makes payments with State resources, directly or indirectly, to a public authority, bank trustee or other municipal issuer. More than 96 percent of State-Funded debt has been issued by public authorities without voter approval.
• In 2019, New York State had the second highest debt burden, behind only California. It was fifth-highest among all states in debt per capita.
• At the end of SFY 2019-20, State-Funded debt outstanding per capita was $3,393. State-Funded debt was equivalent to 4.8 percent of state personal income.

This isn't an Ultra rich problem, it's a progressive liberal/socialist problem, as liberalism only works till you run out of other peoples money, the other people being Tax payers, as the Ultra rich are smart enough to take their money elsewhere.

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I didn't see where it said NY is in debt because of their social programs...

[BowmanMike]

28 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Prager U seems like a good source for right wing sound bites.

[Grouse]

5 minutes ago, BowmanMike said:

Prager U seems like a good source for right wing sound bites.

They have some of the most intelligent social commentators in the country on their side.  I would like to see you argue with their "sound bites".

Edited February 24, 2021 by Grouse

[BowmanMike]

2 minutes ago, Grouse said:

They have some of the mot intelligent social commentators in the country on their side.  I would like to see you argue with their n"sound bites".

Well,socialism being greedier than capitalism is a bogus claim. Greed is what ruins any political system,no matter which one it is.

The claim that free Capitalism benefits all is bs because once people get a certain amount of money and or influence they do not operate on a level playing field anymore. Most of the time it shows up as becoming a monopoly and then taking advantage of that.

Sort of like Big media tech which you guys are happily railing against.

 

[Grouse]

2 minutes ago, BowmanMike said:

Well,socialism being greedier than capitalism is a bogus claim. Greed is what ruins any political system,no matter which one it is.

The claim that free Capitalism benefits all is bs because once people get a certain amount of money and or influence they do not operate on a level playing field anymore. Most of the time it shows up as becoming a monopoly and then taking advantage of that.

Sort of like Big media tech which you guys are happily railing against.

 

Socialism takes from the productive and gives to the unproductive.  That's greed and envy.

Capitalism creates businesses, jobs and individual financial security.  Socialism doesn't.

"Most of the time it shows up as becoming a monopoly and then taking advantage of that."  No, rarely does it become a monopoly, unless it is something unique that nobody else has ever offered.  But innovation is what makes the world better.  And innovators change the world and deserve to reap the rewards of their contributions to society.

Nobody cares that big media is a monopoly.  They are concerned they are abusing their monopoly powers to push an agenda.

[Northcountryman]

45 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Nobody cares that big media is a monopoly.  They are concerned they are abusing their monopoly powers to push an agenda.

Yes, and therefore, there are serious concerns about their monopoly.  The left will be concerned eventually, if the monoploy impacts them , but not until.

[Northcountryman]

57 minutes ago, BowmanMike said:

Well,socialism being greedier than capitalism is a bogus claim. Greed is what ruins any political system,no matter which one it is.

The claim that free Capitalism benefits all is bs because once people get a certain amount of money and or influence they do not operate on a level playing field anymore. Most of the time it shows up as becoming a monopoly and then taking advantage of that.

Sort of like Big media tech which you guys are happily railing against.

 

Capitalism is clearly not perfect; far from it , in fact.  Im with you in terms of alot of the criticisms and concerns you raise regarding our system, but socialism is a scary alternative, dont you think?  I mean, its has never worked long term anywhere on this planet in any single country heretofore; am I wrong? I do agree with you  that many get left by the wayside , slip through the cracks  so to speak, under Capitalism and if we could fix that, the system would be as near perfect as we could hope for--being imperfect creatures ourselves, admittedly. 

[BowmanMike]

1 hour ago, Northcountryman said:

Yes, and therefore, there are serious concerns about their monopoly.  The left will be concerned eventually, if the monoploy impacts them , but not until.

That is the problem i am talking about. Monopolies only offend when you are affected. Facebook anyone? twitter? No one cared until they took trump offline.

Any business that approaches a monopoly should be under close scrutiny by....you will like this @Grouse... the government.

I do not propose outright socialism,there is a lot of space between that and free capitalism.

I dont object ro people profiting from innovation or their work. I object to the crazy tax system that allows people with lots of wealth to find lots of ways to not pay their share.

I am also not saying that money should go to poor folks but could be used for debt reduction,or health care for all,or a million other things.

 

[Grouse]

20 minutes ago, BowmanMike said:

I dont object ro people profiting from innovation or their work. I object to the crazy tax system that allows people with lots of wealth to find lots of ways to not pay their share.

And who installed that crazy tax system?  Corrupt government officials.  Socialism is controlled by the government.  You want corrupt government officials running everything in your life?

[BowmanMike]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

And who installed that crazy tax system?  Corrupt government officials.  Socialism is controlled by the government.  You want corrupt government officials running everything in your life?

What is your proposed solution to it? All the arguing we engage in happens so no meaningful change happens. 

The right vs left media,polar opposition,who benefits from that? 

Some politicians making money,for sure. But that pales in comparisonto the money the super wealthy are making by exploiting the systems weakness.

Walmart kept a lot of their associates working part time and that way avoided having to pay for health insurance and retirement for them. Guess who picked up the difference when those associates had to use food stamps or showed up at the E.R.?  You and me.

Or for a more current issue,amazon trying to prevent a union from forming?

Edited February 24, 2021 by BowmanMike

[Grouse]

Strict adherence to the Constitution and the Rule of Law is the solution.  It allows for no taxpayer funded charity of any type.  Let the private sector handle it again like it used to.  Freedom of choice and individual responsibility for your choices.  Nobody makes you work anywhere you don't choose to.  If you earn minimum wage, you have minimum skills.

End the big government nanny state.

Edited February 24, 2021 by Grouse

[ApexerER]

23 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Strict adherence to the Constitution and the Rule of Law is the solution.  It allows for no taxpayer funded charity of any type.  Let the private sector handle it again like it used to.  Freedom of choice and individual responsibility for your choices.  Nobody makes you work anywhere you don't choose to.  If you earn minimum wage, you have minimum skills.

End the big government nanny state.

I can't agree with this enough. I feel like i could fix this all in 10 minutes and I am the literal definition of a nobody.....

Flat tax rate for every person that earns an income no matter how high or low with no loopholes or write offs. 

Deport every illegal and create strong borders so they can't return. 

Implement E verify for employment.

Create strong voter ID Laws 

Allow any manufacturing company that will produce a USA made product to pay ZERO state or federal  taxes

Become the leading exporter of oil and gas and set the world market.

Immediately make it so any voted in person in the public sector have term limits and can not earn income while serving. They are there to serve us, not themselves. 

 

Just these few things would make an instant and enormous difference.....