Crossbow Accuracy to 80 yards with HHA

[fasteddie]

http://hhasports.com/media/2010%20HHA%20Speed%20Dial%20Video.wmv

[burmjohn]

Oh boy...  ???

[fasteddie]

HHA makes some of the best Bow sights out there . Now they are making them for Crossbows......

[biggamefish]

  I think if you are going to be able to put scopes on crossbows they should go in rifle season!  Just a thought.

[SteveB]

They are available for compounds - lets put them there as well.

[biggamefish]

  I thought the regs said that you couldn't put a scope or optics on a compound??

[Mr VJP]

I didn't see any actual testing of the sight on that video.  Did I miss something?  All talk and no proof is what I saw.

[fasteddie]

I didn't see any actual testing of the sight on that video.  Did I miss something?  All talk and no proof is what I saw.

Soooooo , are you implying that the owners of HHA , one of the most prominant manufacturers of bow sights , is lying about their 80 yard sight for crossbows because the inventor didn't shoot the bow ?

[fasteddie]

They are available for compounds - lets put them there as well.

Lets see an ad for an 80 yard sight for a compound ? I could certainly use one !  : ... :

[burmjohn]

They are available for compounds - lets put them there as well.

Where?

[SteveB]

http://www.adorama.com/SIS334R.html?sid=1282137612179053

http://www.kandkonlinestore.com/items/products-/hunting~fishing/archery/browns-archery-bow-scope-mount-detail.htm

Plus I know several who use 2 power target scopes with a peep clarifier as well for hunting.

[SteveB]

I think if you are going to be able to put scopes on crossbows they should go in rifle season!  Just a thought

With that logic, any "bow" that needs a trigger to shoot should be in the gun season as well.

[fasteddie]

I sent an e-mail to HHA to ask to see a video of someone shooting a crossbow using their 80 yard scope as they never did shoot the X-bow in the video that I posted .

[burmjohn]

Sheez, OK, did not know those existed. Can't really see them being to effective.

[burmjohn]

I think if you are going to be able to put scopes on crossbows they should go in rifle season!  Just a thought

With that logic, any "bow" that needs a trigger to shoot should be in the gun season as well.

The only bow that needs a trigger is a crossbow. Releases are available for every type of bow.

[fasteddie]

http://www.adorama.com/SIS334R.html?sid=1282137612179053

http://www.kandkonlinestore.com/items/products-/hunting~fishing/archery/browns-archery-bow-scope-mount-detail.htm

Plus I know several who use 2 power target scopes with a peep clarifier as well for hunting.

Wow ! I wasn't aware of that ! Here I am stuck with a single pin adjustable sight . I still have yet to see anyone with a scope on his Bow or even the clairifier . But ...... they are available . I didn't see any capability of dialing in for an 80 yard shot with the scopes for bows . I guess they might be in the process of designing a bi-pod to use with the compound .  : .. : .. :

[fasteddie]

I think if you are going to be able to put scopes on crossbows they should go in rifle season!  Just a thought

With that logic, any "bow" that needs a trigger to shoot should be in the gun season as well.

You can use a release on a Recurve , Long Bow , etc ..  ???

[SteveB]

But all but a few use a trigger to shoot their compound.

Why is that?

[Doewhacker]

  I thought the regs said that you couldn't put a scope or optics on a compound??

You can as long as its not a laser sight, or as long as it doesn't emmit light toward the target. So those little lights they sell for sights are legal too as long as they only light the sight. I personaly agree scopes on bows of any knid ain't right and shouldn't be allowed. The only thing it will do is encourage shots that are far beyond the capabilities of the hunter.

[Doc]

But all but a few use a trigger to shoot their compound.

Why is that?

For you people who like to try to authenticate credentials with raw historical age, I would like to point out that the early archery releases date back to 1520 B.C.  So if you are trying to imply that archery releases were invented for compound bows, or that anything prior to a compound bow required finger releasing only, you might want to check the following link:

http://www.atarn.org/chinese/thumbrings/archers_rings.htm

Doc

[SteveB]

Then why are not the compound shooters using thumb rings?

How common was the use of thumb rings or other releases when the bow seasons where started here?

The near universal use of ones with triggers evolved from bows being used that all but impossible (or just too hard for most to bother) to shoot with fingers. The string angle and light holding weight of a less then 40" ATA compound takes far too much work for most to bother. They simply go the easy route with a trigger - if anyone uses a thumbring on a 32"ATA compound, I have never seen or heard of it.

[Doc]

As far as sealed, gas-filled, multi optic, scopes on bows, I did see such a thing many years ago as a prototype for single distance indoor target shooting. It was basically a pistol style scope mounted rigidly as a one-position sight. It wasn't very practical and if it ever made it to the market, it sure never went over too well. All it showed was that you can stick anything on anything as long as you don't care that it really isn't suited for its purpose.....lol. The main problem is that there isn't a whole lot of real estate on a vertical bow to mount such clap-trap. You simply don't have a stock to mount all kinds of different gadgets on. That's not to say that people aren't trying. But the proof of practicality is in the successful mass marketing. For example, scopes on cross-bows are a common accessory and are often sold as part of a package.

Another thing too is that you are limited in what magnification you can use because there is no practical way to bench-rest a bow, or any feasible method of mounting a bipod or monopod to a bow. This as opposed to the fact that bipods are also very common accessories for crossbows and are also included in a lot of crossbow package deals. So whatever shake and wandering that might cause problems in a high magnification scope can be solved by use of a bi-pod or even simply resting the crossbow on any horizontal surface like a log or some other feature built into a blind. That's a technique that I use with my shotgun during gun season. My ground blinds all have plenty of convenient horizontal logs built into them to serve as bench rests for steadying my gun/scope.

[Doc]

Then why are not the compound shooters using thumb rings?

How common was the use of thumb rings or other releases when the bow seasons where started here?

Primarily because it is no longer 1520 B.C. I suppose it's the same reason we don't use sinew for strings or stone broadheads.  :  By the way, I had a release back in the mid 60's long before I had a compound. And I had a peep sight and a stabilizer, and a wrist strap, and an adjustable sight as well as multi=pin sights. It's funny how people seem to think that the world of archery gadgets began only when compounds were invented. You might want to check out the Stanislaus (sp?) back tension release which is used today and was quite common back in the recurve days.

[WNYBuckHunter]

I think we are missing the real point here guys, shooting a crossbow in a hunting situation is almost identical to a vertical bow in that both types shoot an arrow tipped with a broadhead, we all know what a gust of wind or small limb or even a stiff weed or other vegetation can do to an arrow's flight. It matters not what weapon its shot from, the effects are identical. 80 yards is not a good idea in a hunting situation most of the time with either type of weapon, both of which is fully capable of it in theory or target shooting.

Ive seen competition shooters make 100+ yard shots with crossbows, compounds, recurves, etc. Doesnt make it a good idea for Joe Bowhunter to do in the field, does it?

[TheHunter]

Its not identical.  There are advantages of a crossbow, its ready to fire, point, aim pull trigger.  Consistency is 200+ % more with a xbow then a compound or recurve. You have a stock, put it on the shoulder, lean on a tree, use a tri / bi / mono pod... Have a scoped sight, umm lets see I'm sure I missed a lot more.    Calling it identical is laughable at best.  I guess you already have your crossbow, or work for a crossbow manu if your so pro-xbow that you want your archery season to go to up in smoke.  Laugh at me now, but you'll realize if it happens.