Who pays the electric bill for EV carging stations?

[Grouse]

Enviro fascists shut down drilling and pipelines now.  They aren't going to accept massive open strip mining to get lithium.  Neither will anti slavery and worker safety factions.  This will have a major impact on the lithium supply and it's cost.  Click on the link I posted to learn more.

[Farflung]

There are very  justifiable concerns about the amount of lithium that is available for batteries, both politically and economically. A fundamental question would seem to be, is the lithium in "defunct" batteries recyclable? Does anyone here know?

[hueyjazz]

Just Lucky

You negate the expense of replacing the battery which at present is a huge expense and why a lot of electric cars get dumped.

A Leaf battery is what?  $6,000 at around 100,000 miles.  And blow the computer that runs the car, oh my.   Maintenance isn't zero.  There are wear parts as in anything that moves and rotates.  I've rebuilt plenty of electric motors.

I agree with increased battery technology electric cars will be the way but as long as it's a lithium-based battery, we are screwed.

[BizCT]

I just bought a house with a Tesla charger. Anyone want to buy it?


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[phantom]

11 minutes ago, Biz-R-OWorld said:

I just bought a house with a Tesla charger. Anyone want to buy it?


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I'm confused are you selling   the house the Tesla or the charger ? Or it all ?

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[Just Lucky]

19 hours ago, hueyjazz said:

Just Lucky

You negate the expense of replacing the battery which at present is a huge expense and why a lot of electric cars get dumped.

A Leaf battery is what?  $6,000 at around 100,000 miles.  And blow the computer that runs the car, oh my.   Maintenance isn't zero.  There are wear parts as in anything that moves and rotates.  I've rebuilt plenty of electric motors.

I agree with increased battery technology electric cars will be the way but as long as it's a lithium-based battery, we are screwed.

The expense of the battery is very high, plus availability is hard. I agree. However 15 year, 150k mile, or more manufacturer warranty eliminates that expense for the consumer after purchase. What is expected life of a new vehicle today? I find manufacturers won't even send a battery unless they themselves are paying for it. 

The biggest thing I see fail with EV are a single cell in the battery pack fail. For example 100 batteries in the pack, and one 3 volt battery fails. 

At this time, most manufacturers will kick a warning light, and shutdown the system because of the batteries being in series. It can cause a fire hazard when charging. If the consumer continues to run vehicle and discharges batteries below, say 8% the battery management system will not allow charging. Then the battery has to be sent out, or replaced also. 

 

 

[Grouse]

From what I have been reading, most new EV's are leased, not purchased.  For the consumer, this is wise, as it avoids most possible issues with the cars.  But, what happens to all the used EV's after that?  Who picks up the tab when the repairs come up?  What is done with them when they are worn out and junked?

[Jeremy K]

22 minutes ago, Grouse said:

From what I have been reading, most new EV's are leased, not purchased.  For the consumer, this is wise, as it avoids most possible issues with the cars.  But, what happens to all the used EV's after that?  Who picks up the tab when the repairs come up?  What is done with them when they are worn out and junked?

The same people who stand to make boat loads of money off this will avoid this question like an episode of joe rogan. 

[BizCT]

I'm confused are you selling   the house the Tesla or the charger ? Or it all ?

The charger




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[Just Lucky]

4 hours ago, Grouse said:

From what I have been reading, most new EV's are leased, not purchased.  For the consumer, this is wise, as it avoids most possible issues with the cars.  But, what happens to all the used EV's after that?  Who picks up the tab when the repairs come up?  What is done with them when they are worn out and junked?

The EV will get recycled,  just like current junked vehicles when worn out, unless someone keeps them as lawn ornaments.  

With most all repairs on vehicles now their is very little ownership accountability.  Repair costs falls on manufacturers,  which adds to the new cost per vehicle. Look at how many recalls come out on cars now vs. 30 years ago. 

It will be a long time before I will be in the market for any EV, but the technology with them is really impressive.  I believe within 30 years cars will be completely self driving too. The technology is pretty much there now.

 

 

 

[Just Lucky]

3 hours ago, Biz-R-OWorld said:

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I have heard some towns have required chargers to be installed on new home builds as part of code. 

[loworange88]

The EV trend right now is in its infancy.  The technology is pretty cool in itself.  Its a shame its as politicized as it is.  I think some of the trucks are very capable vehicles, but I'm not on board until the charging stations are as common as today's gas stations, and I can be back on the road in less than 10 minutes. That being said, Ive heard analysts predict within the next 20-30 years there will be a 25-35% mix of EV's and gas burner/hybrids(what ever the progression of today's vehicle is by then).  As much as the talking heads and even the automakers claim to be totally EV/emission free by 2030, its just not feasible.  IF that $5B is actually spent on exactly what it says and not pissed away on stupid shit, charging stations and  such would only barely be in place by then, and paid for by us the tax payer.