Doc

For one thing, I'm not sure where you are getting the 15 seconds thing since the pig was still very alive and very active when the film was shut off. And also I am not sure what your problem with the "hard to watch" comment is. I personally find it difficult to watch any animal in pain, and I would hope that isn't a real hard thing for anybody to understand. That's why I am so adamant about taking only responsible high percentage shots. Unfortunately, I could not get your attached video to play.

I'm smart enough to recognize someone dancing and spinning and running like crazy away from their own words. And I hope you are not trying to say that what I posted in the above reply was some sort of misquote because I simply copied and pasted your exact words. So let's stop the dancing and apply a little honesty here. Those are your words exactly and you know it. So don't be accusing me of mis-quoting.

Yeah, not to mention that all this phoney nonsense gives you a way to avoid responding to my reply. I don't think you realize how transparent that tactic is getting to be.

Yes, I think you are referring to another thread where I put your exact words in front of you and you still continued to dance and squirm away from what you actually said, aren't you? We already know from that other thread that you feel perfectly comfortable running away from your own words even when they are laid in front of you. So that's probably a subject that you would be smarter not even bringing up.

I took another look at that video, and came to the conclusion that while the hog was clearly in partial paralysis, there still was plenty of life left in him when they hit the off switch. So I wouldn't want to say just how quickly that critter died. All I know is that it was a pretty hard thing to look at. Not exactly the cleanest kill I have ever seen.

That is one tiny camera that he is using there. I would think the problem would come when you take your shot. Who knows where the camera will be pointed. Probably would be pointed at the ground ...... lol. But I guess if you are by yourself with no camera-man, it might be better than nothing.

Aphrodite Montalvo?????? Is that a real name?? ......... lol.

Excellent non-reply. ....Your specialty.

So you think all that after-shot activity was just the involuntary spasms of the animal's death throes. Maybe you had better take a second look. Yeah, that pig was dying all right and it was a lot more drawn out than it had to be because of irresponsible shot selection.

Good post! The one thing I notice first when walking up to my camera is the strap around the tree. That seems to stick out like a sore thumb. One thing I wish the manufacturers would do is apply the old original tre-bark camo to the case of the camera (remember that old gray and black bark pattern?). Since 95% of the time the camera is attached to a tree, it would seem that bark-style camo would be the best.

And apparently you missed where it all wound up. Let me refresh your memory: Quote from pawle 76: “Waiting is not hunting ? If you're in a treestand you are waiting. Hence people who hunt out of treestands are not hunters. That's exactly what you said.” Your reply: “Good Boy.. Thats exactly my opinion...you don't have to agree... thats ok...” Let me emphasize the word "exactly". So, I don't know what all this spin and dancing is all about, but if your own words do not mean anything, then .......

Well geez, don't be getting all upset. I wasn't the one that told you that you are not hunting. It appears that I am not the only one who has a problem with your remarks about stand hunting not being hunting. Did you notice that? It does have a certain ring of arrogance to it.

Actually, I have tried some of the sights that use the little bitty pins with the balls on the end and always had problems with their inability to show up in marginal lighting conditions. I also never liked the idea of covering up the bullseye with the ball of the pin. With rings, you look right through the sight-pin. Also, I found the idea of concentricity is kind of a natural way to sight on things. So all-in-all, the ring pins do exactly what I want them to do. Unfortunately, nobody makes such a thing so given the fact that I have no fancy manufacturing facilities, they do not have that finished professionally manufactured look. But they sure do work.

I often do practice some ridiculously long shots. You can learn a lot from them. Just watching the flight can tell you a bit about tuning problems. Plus it's just plain fun. There is also that confidence you get when you step back up to realistic hunting distances. It makes the shorter shots seem real easy. One other thing that I found out is that when I am having problems with "follow through", stepping back seems to help out with that for some unexplained reason. At any rate, long distance shots on the archery range can be a lot of fun.

Yeah, there is some subtle fine point of distinction that apparently I am not getting. Stand hunting is not hunting, but rather it is waiting. But that doesn't mean he is not hunting "at all" (whatever that means). So I guess it is hunting, a little bit but not actually but ...... All these years I always thought I was hunting, and now someone is telling me that because I don't do it the way he does that I am not hunting, but waiting. I guess when you think about it, that is kind of funny. It appears that I should have taken up some of that there "bow-walkin" stuff if I really wanted to be hunting.....lol. But anyway, I've probably got it right if I were to say that anyone who doesn't hunt your way is not a hunter....right?

Yes, the dinner plate size accuracy is guaranteed to stick an arrow somewhere in the deer's rump. And I guess you didn't learn anything from the long distance thread regarding the foolishness of trying to relate archery range marksmanship to what can reliably be done afield while hunting. As noted in that thread, unpredictable things happen when in hunting situations and taking a shot that requires you to be exactly as good as you are on the range is simply not the best and most responsible shot selection. That's why your hunter training instructor stressed that your shot selection be limited to "high percentage shots" (remember that term?). That would mean not looking for the smallest kill zone you can find, but the biggest and accepting nothing less.

I just hope there are no new, young hunters who are taking any of this rump-shot garbage seriously. I know it has been a long time, but I really don't recall anything in the hunter training courses that recommended a butt-shot as an ethical, high percentage shot.

Oh my gosh ..... try to discuss a topic and along comes Bill Clinton trying to change the topic to a discussion of what "is" means ..... lol.

So what do we have to do to get a Cabelas store in Henrietta or maybe a Bass-Pro?

Here is their web site: http://www.springwaterfiddlersfair.net/ You might want to consider taking a drive next year. I would guess its probably a good 2 hour drive by the time you wiggle around those dirt roads in the hills around Springwater, but I think you might find it worth the drive.

Actually my illustration of ridiculousness using absurdity was spot on. If you didn't catch it, that's not my problem. Just because a shot involving extraordinary luck can occasionally cause a quick death does not make it a recommended and responsible shot to be taking. And don't get me started on head and neck shots. But also, don't try to put them in the same category of sloppy and irresponsible shooting with the butt shot. Actually like someone else who replied to this thread, I also find it amazing that we are still even discussing a butt-shot. That really is hard to believe. I would have thought that a half a page at most would have put that ridiculous notion to bed.

Yup, you ought to see the shelves and drawers down in my shop if you want to see an attempt to keep up with the latest fad technology in hunting. I went through all of that and I don't think it is any exaggeration to say that I have spent thousands of dollars trying to find that magic gadget that would make my bow invincible.....lol. However, I did eventually grow out of all that, and have nearly stopped all spending except for those broken items that need replacment. I guess there comes a time when most of us realize that some of this crap is just plain crap. You kind of build up a defense against the "sucker for a good ad" syndrome. Others just keep thinking that the next trinket will do the trick and hunting will become easy. And I guess that's what keeps hunting industry chugging along.

I don't know, but that guy was pretty fast .... lol. The way that knife was flying around there, I would be careful about getting too close.....

I don't understand why you are taking this all so personally. I have not been naming names. How does that saying go? ..."it's not always all about you"

S.O.B.- You might want to stick a bow level on your sight for a while and check out if you have developed a natural cant to the bow. I have to watch that myself. My archery range is chopped into the side of the hill behind the house so I have a rather step slope that I tend to mentally try to square myself up with. That's all well and good until I find myself shooting somewhere else that has the reverse slope or no slope at all ..... lol. So periodically, I have a pin with a bubble level on it that I stick into my sight just to make sure that nothing is going wacky. Another clue that bow cant is a problem is when the pins all have a taper relative to the rest of the bow. Just something you might want to check if you haven't already.