Larry

better check the SAFE ACT may have to go out of to make the trade lol

I use ear plugs on the range all the time but only when hunting with a handgun or from an enclosed blind.

I just got this off the NIC'S site The NICS is not to be used to establish a federal firearm registry; information about an inquiry resulting in an allowed transfer is destroyed in accordance with NICS regulations. Current destruction of NICS records became effective when a final rule was published by the Department of Justice in The Federal Register, outlining the following changes. Per Title 28, Code of Federal Regulations, Part 25.9((1), (2), and (3), the NICS Section must destroy all identifying information on allowed transactions prior to the start of the next NICS operational day.

Anyone hear anything about Cuomo trying to get BATF to find out who I NY has assault weapons so they can(NY) check to see if they are registered. I was under the impression that BATF only can hold that info though NICKS for 72hr’s then it has to be destroyed and the yellow form we fill out are kept and the place of sail. Just wondering if its true or not.

Here’s just a thought if you are talking about fall hunting this year you can’t hunt till the 17th of oct. in this part of the state seeing the person who started the post is from Greece ny

knife water folding stool and tp just in case. scrap the stool if still hunting

I shoot a 444marlin loaded with 265gr flat points it no more a brush gun than a 22 when hitting stuff with a bullet going at almost twice the speed of sound and spinning at 100000 rpms it's going to destabilize the bullet. I may hit the target sideways or ass end first

good first hunt its hard to still hunt with a bow good luck

First let me define the word CITATIONS for you in this case it is not receiving a ticket. What it is it tells you what, where and who the material used in the article came from. That info is on page 33 of Novembers D&DH.

STUFF HAPPENS

the citations are all from 2014 and 2015. I would think D & DH would check their sources unlike a trade magazine that panders to a specific group. If you haven’t read then read it. If want to dig deep check the citation remember this any research study is at lease peer reviewed. (still maybe bias ) but a OP ED piece is bias.

I’m not advocating using a 410 for deer just found the ballistics interesting. I'm it to ballistics and I wouldn't use a 410 on deer. if you want to know what I use on deer. I use a 444 marlin or a 12ga fully rifled 870 plenty of gun there.

Any one see the article in DEER & DEER HUNTING about CWD it is very informative and up to date on the research that is going on, on this disease. It’s a must read

you can carry the rifle and pistol while squirrel hunting as long as you have a permit for the pistol. LOVE MISS KAY'S FRIED SQUIRREL BRAINS YUMY !!! GIVE THEM A TRY

here's some more 410 info. 2) Does the weapon have the effective range for the terrain and the discipline of the hunter? The first part of this question is relatively easy. The 410 slug is a short range weapon, plain and simple. There is no doing anything to make it shoot further. Even if you can accurate shoot a little 410 slug out to 200 yards it has run out of enough kinetic energy for deer long before it gets that far. The light weight 410 slug has a very poor ballistic coefficient and thus has lost nearly half of there energy 50-60 yards down range. With the lightest Remington and Winchester 2.5 inch slugs I would not recommend going over 50 maybe 60yard and even then you need to have a good accurate hit. With the heavier Federal, 3inch Winchester or Brenneke slugs you might stretch it to 75 yards but no further. So if you’re going to hunt deer with the 410 slug you should be hunting for close range shots. If all your shots end up being longer range shots I would suggest picking another gun. This short range restriction prompts the second half of this question, the hunter’s discipline. Even in the heaviest cover with the most rolling and broken terrain you are going to have the occasion long shot. You might have been hunting that particular property for 20years and have never taken a shot further than 50yards. The first time you go out with your 410 slug gun your going to have a fluke line up of some recent storm damage that opens up a 120 yard lane in what was normal heavy cover and sure enough you will be standing at one end and the biggest most beautiful buck you have ever seen will be standing at the other end. Yes, you are going to have to have the discipline to pass on that shot. If you can’t pass on the shot in a situation like that then don’t limit yourself by using the 410 slug. If you can live with that possibility then read on.

I found this ballistic testing of several 410 slugs. The guy may have a point looks like the 410 has about the same muzzle energy as a 44mag or a 41mag. I would like to see some down range testing. Don’t get me wrong I’m not advocating using a 410 for deer just found the ballistics interesting. Ballistic Testing of Select 410 slugs. Remington Sluggers, Winchester Rifled Slug, Federal Rifled Slug, Modified Brenneke Silver Slug* Testing 410 slugs in the Winchester 9410. The shooting bench (click to enlarge) The targets (click to enlarge) Condition and Equipment Used. Firearm: Winchester 9410 2.5 inch 410 shotgun with a 24inch cylinder bore. Range: 25yards to target and phone books Targets: For chronograph was simply targets for aim, all shot were pumpkin on a fence post. The phone books were three Cleveland phone books taped together with several wraps of duck tape and then soaked overnight in bucket full of water. Redneck ballistic gel. Where far from a perfect target wet phone books do usually cause bullets to expand and makes slug recovery fairly straight forward. Conditions: Beautiful morning, sunny and about 72F little or no wind. Chronograph: Alpha Chony with passive sky screen and remote interface (not in picture) Remington Sluggers 5 shot group at 25 yards (click to enlarge) Chrono Testing 5 shots Low Velocity:1809fps Hight Velocity:1827fps Average velocity: 1817fps Extreme Spreed:17.75 Std. Deviation:6.32 Manufacture Spec: 1830fps Measure Mass: 96.1gr Manufacture Spec 1/5oz (87.5gr) Calculated Muzzle Energy: 704.3ft-lbs Notes: Very consistent velocity. Also probably the tightest grouping slug fired from my Winchester 9410. slug impact with wet phone books. (click to enlarge) slug impact with wet phone books. (click to enlarge) Impact with wet phone books Penetration: ~2.5inches These were the shallowest penetration of all the slugs. As you can see in the pictures they made a very nasty entrance hole and were stopped at the about the back cover of the first phone book. slug impact with wet phone books. (click to enlarge) Slug 1: 96.5gr (100%) Slug 2: 95.7gr (99%) Notes: Slug 1 actually weight slightly more than the sampled slugs I had weighted. Just a few tenth of a grain but this indicates that there may be some variability in Remington slug manufacturing. The slugs broke up pretty good on impact but had penetrated very straight into the phone books. Winchester Rifled Slug 2.5 inch shell 5 shot group at 25 yards (click to enlarge) Chrono Testing 5 shots Low Velocity:1792fps Hight Velocity:1917fps Average velocity: 1855fps Extreme Spreed:124.0 Std. Deviation:44.84 Manufacture Spec: 1830fps Measure Mass: 92.8gr Manufacture Spec 1/5oz (87.5gr) Calculated Muzzle Energy: 708.9ft-lbs Notes: The lightest slug tested and the worst for velocity consistency of the three unmodified loads tested. slug impact with wet phone books. (click to enlarge) slug impact with wet phone books. (click to enlarge) Impact with wet phone books Penetration: ~3.0inches These were the second shallowest penetration of all the slugs. As you can see in the pictures they made much smaller entrance holes compared to the Remington Sluggers and were stopped just into the second phone book. slug impact with wet phone books. (click to enlarge) Slug 1: 90.9gr (98%) Slug 2: 91.7gr (99%) Notes: These slugs expanded the poorest, as you can see from the pictures they broke into two pieces and expanded very unsymmetrical and thus their penetration deviated as they went into the phone books. Federal Rifled Slug 2.5 inch shell 5 shot group at 25 yards (click to enlarge) Chrono Testing 5 shots Low Velocity:1714fps Hight Velocity:1742fps Average velocity: 1728fps Extreme Spreed:27.64 Std. Deviation:10.77 Manufacture Spec: 1775fps Measure Mass: 109.0gr Manufacture Spec 1/4oz (109.4gr) Calculated Muzzle Energy: 722.5ft-lbs Notes: Good consistent velocity and the heaviest of the true foster slugs tested. Unfortunately the worse grouping out of my Winchester 9410. Also note the wad in the lower right hole in target spot. Also in the extreme right bottom you can see were another one of the wads went through the target. I think this heavy plastic wad Federal uses make be the reason the accuracy suffers, likely cause by the way the was and slug separate at the muzzle. slug impact with wet phone books. (click to enlarge) slug impact with wet phone books. (click to enlarge) Impact with wet phone books Penetration: ~4.0inches These slug penetrated best of the true foster slugs tested. They penetrated to the center of the second phone book. slug impact with wet phone books. (click to enlarge) Slug 1: 106.4gr (97.6%) Slug 2: 91.7gr (96.7%) Notes: These slugs expanded very nice. Unlike the Remington sluggers that produce the small slug the detaches in the center the Federal slug due to a reasonable large hollow point turn into rings and produce large internal holes in the phone book with good penetration. Modified Brenneke Silver Slug* 3.0 inches shells modified down to 2.5 inch shell* 5 shot group at 25 yards (click to enlarge) Chrono Testing 5 shots Low Velocity:1985fps Hight Velocity:2103fps Average velocity: 2043fps Extreme Spreed:118.0 Std. Deviation:55.33 Manufacture Spec: 1755fps Measure Mass: 114.9gr Manufacture Spec (114gr) Calculated Muzzle Energy: 1065ft-lbs Notes: Tremendous amount of Kinetic energy compared to the other slugs tested. The inconsistency in velocity is likely due to the after market role crimps I do after modifying them to work in the Winchester 9410. slug impact with wet phone books. (click to enlarge) slug impact with wet phone books. (click to enlarge) Impact with wet phone books Penetration: ~6.0+ inches The energy and hardness of these slugs gave them the best penetration. Only one was recover almost through the third phone book. The other slug exited the third phone book and was lost, like due to weakening of the phone book due to a near by hit. slug impact with wet phone books. (click to enlarge) Slug 1: 106.4gr (97.6%) Notes: The slug recovered did not expand hardly at all. Unlike the other foster slugs the Brenneke slug with its attached gas seal appears to be made of a much harder alloy. The combination of the highest Kinetic energy, heavies slug and hard alloy gave this slug the best penetration of the slugs tested. *Details on modified Brenneke Slugs for use in Winchester 9410. 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I’m glad it’s cold here. Hope you guys know North American Whitetail ranks NY 22nd in places to hunt whitetails. If it’s so bad then how do I have 8 P&Y’s net and another 6 P&Y gross. There are some good buck take out of this state. is there ever going to be a world record come out of NY probably not. Charley Alsheimer at one of his seminars gave the number of bucks out of million to reach 150, 160, 170, 180, 190 and 200 class this is in the wild. he basically said of getting a 200 class typical would be like the odds of winning the lottery.

bow 40 with a good rifle 1000

I have a 8m for a 9p

hey guys doesn't matter what WMU I'm hunting in if a fat doe shows up first I'm putting a arrow though it. the only thing that changes is what tag I use.

sure you didn't mean 9r. 8r is in yates county

Hey PREDATE what back straps were you eating by 9 just wondering.

this is a posting I did a while back. Could QDM be a prime factor in the lower number of deer sightings? We all heard it at the end of deer season on wed sites or in publications from other hunters; I hunted all season and only saw 6 deer all season. Then we start looking for someone or something to blame. We blame the DEC because we think the herd size estimates are wrong, we blame coyotes, to many nuisance permits being given out and even cars. All these are factors and there are more, one of the biggest factors is hardly mentioned and that’s “US” myself included. When we all first started to hear about QDM and its management style; we were told if we wanted to see bigger bucks we needed to let small bucks walk, manage does (kill more does) this is not the same as antlerless. We were told the buck to doe ratio was way off and needed to be 1 to 1 this ratio is not correct. The harvesting of doe’s makes scents; to control a population you need to add or subtract females. We were also told that if we killed Does we would see more bucks. I do not think that is necessarily true and I can prove it. When I say doe’s I mean females 1.5 years old and older not antlerless. Because at any time before the deer season ½ to 2/3’s of the antlerless population on a piece of land are fawns. If on your land you have 15 doe’s and 5 bucks (1.5 years and older) and you kill 10 doe’s and no bucks you still only have 5 bucks. What you have done is reduced the number of doe’s by 2/3’s. What you will see are more buck sightings per doe sighting and you will see fewer fawns the next year. Another example is in Allegany County a farmer started a QDM program on his 1700 acres. He went out at night spot lighting to see what kind of deer he had and he saw lots of antlerless deer. For 3 years they took over 40 doe’s a year using DMP’s and DMAP’s. He would let you hunt there but you had to kill doe’s no bucks. They would kill a few big bucks. Then in years 4-6 they started to kill fewer and fewer doe’s by year 6 they killed less than 10 doe’s and no bucks, saw plenty of bucks before the season but killed none. Funny thing started to happen, his neighbors started to kill big bucks. They were not killing off their doe’s so the bucks were moving to where the does are. What I believe he did was not only destroy his doe population he also destroyed the age structure of his doe herd. This is what I believe we are doing under the miss guided concept of killing doe’s gives you more bucks and the myth of the 1 to 1 buck to doe ratio. If anyone can show me how killing doe’s can give you more bucks that’s a trick I would like to see. With a birth rate at 50/50 bucks to doe’s I am not advocating not shooting doe’s; what I am advocating is be careful on how many and where in the age structure you harvest the doe’s from.

The guy who started this tread may have a point. The planting of food plots is not habitat improvement, or good forest management selective harvest of trees and planting more desirable trees is. Letting a field revert back to woodlands is good habitat improvement.

never hunted deer there just ducks