Larry

For me it’s about getting this thread up to 50 pages of nonsense. It’s a done deal get over it. that’s way it is get over it. Funny part is a lot of these guys don’t even hunt any of these wmu’s. for those who do hunt in these wmu’s if you don’t like the rule change you can, not hunt or move.

Even though I have not killed 2 bucks in a year since 2004 I’m not in favor of a of a 1 buck rule. I hunt wmu that gives out few dmp’s so if I don’t get a dmp then I’m done. What I would be in favor of would be a point restriction of up to 4pt’s on one side for the 2nd buck and you have to turn in the first tag at the dec office. And the first buck has to be killed in the bow or ml season. This would be like what we had in the 90’s where you got 1 buck tag but if you killed a buck in bow season you could turn in your filled tag at the dec and get a 2nd buck tag good for the gun season.

its in for 2016

I started hunting in 1972 was my first year. There were still a lot of pheasant around in Hilton, Kendall and Greece I did a lot of hunting where the hospital is in Greece now. Cut my teeth on deer in Letchworth state park and Trimmer rd. in Parma. You got 1 tag only, could be used for a buck or doe in bow season, and just a buck during gun. If you killed a deer in bow you were done. Unless you were in a group that got a party permit. You needed anywhere from 3 to 5 guys on a permit and you could shot a buck or doe on it and could not be used in bow season. All tag had to be mailed in whether you got a deer or not. Drives were the game of the day during gun season.

HOLY CRAP NOW THAT GOD IS INVOLVED WE WILL MAKE 50 PAGES FOR SURE. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK GUYS!

This is off the DEC web site. The DEC could of made these changes without comment. They had the authority to do so under the 5 year plan. Consider your selves lucky they didn’t make these changes without comment. Antlerless-only portion of the bow and muzzleloader seasons in several WMUs Comment: One writer claimed that hunters or hunting groups had not been surveyed on this issue prior to the rule being proposed. Response: The option to make part of the bow and muzzleloader season valid for antlerless deer only in areas where additional antlerless harvest is necessary, originated from hunters during the scoping process for DEC's deer management plan. Then, in the 2010 Deer Hunter Survey, 55% of hunters identified that, where needed, an antlerless-only portion of the bow and muzzleloader seasons was a good idea, while only 28% believed it was a bad idea. The survey found similar support for the concept among bowhunters and gun hunters. In 2011, when DEC released a draft deer plan for public comment, the concept of an antlerless-only period during bow and muzzleloader seasons was identified as phase-2 of a 3-phase process to progressively increase harvest pressure on antlerless deer where needed. Following review of the public comment, DEC adopted the plan including this 3-phase process. Comment: Several writers disagreed that deer populations are higher than desirable, suggesting that situations of deer abundance are localized in suburban areas or on private land and that the 2014-15 winter may have further reduced the deer population. Response: DEC compiles data from entire WMUs, including public and private lands, and these data reflect deer populations that have remained above desired levels for the past decade despite efforts to reduce populations through increased allocation of antlerless deer tags. While the 2014-15 winter was more severe than average and may contribute to population reduction in the WMUs associated with this rule, strong deer productivity and recent harvest trends support the need for additional antlerless harvest during hunting seasons. Comment: Several comments supported the proposal, agreeing that more antlerless deer need to be harvested and that refocusing hunter effort on antlerless deer will help limit population growth. Several writers suggested that the rule be extended into other parts of New York Response: While there are other WMUs in New York with deer populations above desired levels, DEC contends that reduction in these units may still be achieved by increasing the availability of DMPs. If increased allocation of DMPs is unable to reduce the population, DEC would then proceed with the 3-phase approach, as appropriate, in these WMUs. Comment: Many writers expressed belief that 15 days of antlerless-only hunting during the early bowhunting season will be ineffective because harvest by bowhunters typically constitutes a relatively small portion of the overall deer harvest, suggesting that greater impact could be achieved by moving the antlerless-only period into a portion of the firearms season. Additional suggestions to potentially increase antlerless harvest included: establishing an early or late muzzleloader season for antlerless deer, allowing only 1 buck per hunter per year, longer bow or muzzleloading seasons, eliminate the $10 application fee for DMPs, allow hunters to use bait, establish an open season (all year) for antlerless deer, and making the DMPs valid for female deer only rather than antlerless deer which includes male fawns. Response: Establishing an antlerless-only period during bow and muzzleloader seasons was identified in DEC's Management Plan for White-tailed Deer in New York State, 2012-2016, as phase-2 of a 3-phase process to progressively increase harvest pressure on antlerless deer where needed. DEC agrees that greater harvest of antlerless deer might be achieved through an antlerless-only portion of the regular firearms season rather than or in addition to portions of the bow and muzzleloader season. Likewise, DEC anticipates that greater harvest of antlerless deer would occur with a new antlerless-only muzzleloader season, identified as the phase-3 action. However, the 3-phase approach was developed using hunter feedback, evaluated in the 2010 deer hunter survey, and incorporated into DEC's deer management plan after a public review process. DEC does not consider this an appropriate time to deviate from the adopted plan. During development of the 3-phase process, DEC considered other options that were also evaluated in the 2010 deer hunter survey. Options such as lengthening the late bow and muzzleloader season or creating a new season for primitive muzzleloaders were viewed less favorably by hunters than making part of the bow and muzzleloader seasons valid for antlerless deer. DEC appreciates the other suggestions. However, some would require changes in law by the New York State Legislature (e.g., changing DMP application fees or allow use of bait), and others (e.g., one buck per hunter) are being evaluated in relation to buck management strategies. DEC welcomes additional public input on this topic whenever the plan is updated or revised. Comment: Many writers objected to the proposed prohibition on taking a buck during the first 15 days of the early bow season; a few also objected to the antlerless-only requirement during the late bow and muzzleloader season. Many comments suggested that without legal opportunity to take a buck, hunters will forego hunting during the antlerless-only portions of the season or hunt in other WMUs, so antlerless harvest will not increase. Others expressed concern that some hunters will not comply with the rule if the opportunity to take a "trophy" buck arises during the antlerless-only portion of the season. Some hunters also expressed that their preferred time to hunt for bucks was during the first two weeks of the early bow season or during the late seasons. Others felt that they are entitled to take a buck because the purchase of a bow or muzzleloading privilege includes an either-sex tag. Many hunters suggested DEC consider an earn-a-buck system as an alternative. Response: DEC recognizes that many hunters value the opportunity to take antlered bucks during any season and that is a motivating factor for hunting. However, there is a critical need to increase harvest of antlerless deer in these WMUs. The proposed rule does not eliminate buck harvest opportunities but simply changes when it can occur to emphasize the necessity of antlerless harvest. We hope that hunters in these WMUs will help meet this management need. Reported harvests during the early bowhunting season in these WMUs are disproportionately skewed toward antlered bucks compared to other hunting seasons. Greater cooperation by bowhunters in removing antlerless deer in similar ratios as during other seasons and increased harvest of antlerless deer during the late seasons will benefit the broader public who are affected by negative deer-related impacts. Opportunities to take an antlered buck will remain during the latter two-thirds of the early bow season and all of the regular firearm season. DEC did consider an earn-a-buck system which would require that hunters take one or more antlerless deer before they are eligible to harvest a buck or before they are eligible to take a second buck. This approach has been effective in other jurisdictions. However, earn-a-buck strategies are generally unpopular with hunters and entail high logistical costs to implement and enforce. An earn-a-buck system may be necessary at some point in the future, but we believe the Phase-2 and Phase-3 strategies are reasonable preliminary options. Any concern about hunters having to pass up a shot at a buck during the antlerless-only portion of the season would apply to earn-a-buck systems as well, at least until the hunter is successful in harvesting an antlerless deer, which could be more than 15 days into the season. Comment: DEC should use incentives, such as new or longer seasons, to increase antlerless harvest rather than disincentives. Response: In 2012, DEC extended the Southern Zone bow season an average of 15 days by beginning the season on October 1 of each year. This gave bowhunters additional time to hunt, and some bowhunters have used this time to take antlerless deer. A principal incentive would be for hunters to help achieve the desired deer population level in the identified WMUs. Additionally, phase-3, if needed, would provide new opportunity. Comment: Several writers disagreed with DEC's statement that increasing the number of DMPs available is no longer a productive way to increase antlerless harvest. They suggested that unlimited DMP tags should be available in the WMUs with overabundant deer. Response: In these units, hunters may acquire up to four DMPs through the initial draw and first-come-first-serve issuance periods, have an two DMPs transferred to them, and receive an either-sex and antlerless-only tag with their purchase of bow and muzzleloader hunting privileges. Additionally, during the late seasons, the regular big game tag is valid for deer of either-sex. Hunters have opportunity for up to nine tags that are valid for antlerless deer. However, harvest report data from 2014-15 reveal that only 1.2% of successful hunters reported taking 4 or more deer, and no hunter reported taking a total of more than 7 deer. The past couple years, there have still been left-over DMPs available in these units at seasons end. Hunters do not appear to be limited by tag availability. Comment: Several people suggested that limited access to private property for hunting is the primary problem affecting deer population management in these areas. Response: Restricted hunting access can limit the ability of hunters to reduce local deer populations, particularly when large blocks of land are not hunted. However, several surveys of landowners in New York have found that upwards of 80% of private lands are hunted. Yet many of these lands are hunted insufficiently with inadequate removal of antlerless deer. The current rule intends to refocus hunter effort toward antlerless deer during a portion of the hunting season. Comment: There was no mention if the early bowhunting season will revert to either-sex when the desired deer population is reached. Response: DEC will adapt hunting rules as needed and may revert to previous rules if appropriate.

Hunters have a saint:Hubert, Patron Saint of Hunters By ©Mitch Ballard Jagermeister Label. Jagermeister label showing stag with cross suspended between antlers. Some historical scholars estimate the year was 705 A.D. while others claim it was 656. Regardless, St. Hubert, the Patron Saint of Hunters was born in the European city of Maastricht of French nationality. All the scholars agree Hubert died at Fura (the modern city of Tervueren) in the province of Brabant on May 30, 727 A.D. Hubert was the oldest son of Bertrand, Duke of Aquintaine and grandson of Charibert, King of Toulouse - a descendant of The Great Pharamond. Hubert was reportedly a great lover of pleasure and his chief passion was the chase, to which he devoted nearly all his time. According to the legend, Hubert was afield the morning of Good Friday (while the faithful were crowding into church) and he was participating in the chase of a deer on horseback with his famous hounds. The Catholic Encyclopedia states: As he was pursuing a magnificent stag, and in a clearing in the forest, the animal stopped and turned. Hubert was astounded at perceiving a crucifix suspended between its antlers, while he heard a voice from the figure of Christ say, "Hubert, unless you turn to the Lord, and lead a holy life, you shall quickly fall into the abyss of Hell!" Hubert dismounted immediately from his horse, fell prostrate on the ground and asked, "Lord, what would you have me do?" He immediately received the reply, "Go and seek Lambert and he will instruct you." At the time, Lambert was the Bishop of Maastricht, who kindly received Hubert and became his spiritual advisor. Complicating matters even further, Hubert lost his wife during the childbirth of their first son shortly after his vision in the woods. Hubert decided to renounce all his honors, titles and military rank. Plus he relinquished his birthright as heir to the Duchy of Aquintaine, giving it to his younger brother Eudon, whom he also made the godfather of his infant son, Floribert. Another version of the legend reports Lambert taught Hubert self discipline by forcing him to live alone as a hermit in the Ardennes (the Great French Forest) for a while. After distributing all his wealth among the poor, Hubert entered upon his studies for the priesthood and was soon ordained. Shortly afterward he became one of Lambert's chief associates in the administration of his Diocese. Upon the advice of Lambert, Hubert made a pilgrimage to Rome and during his absence, Lambert was assassinated, but that's another story in itself. At the same hour as the Pope was giving an audience to Hubert, the Pope was distracted by a vision of Lambert's murder and on the spot he appointed Hubert as the new Bishop, replacing Lambert. Hubert returned to become the 31st Bishop of Maastricht (and the first Bishop of Liege) and was eventually described as the "Apostle of the Ardennes." According to the legend, idolatry still lingered in the Ardennes Forest and "risking his life, Hubert penetrated the remote lurking places of paganism in his pursuit of souls and finally brought about the abolishment of the worship of idols in his neighborhood." Eventually, Hubert went to dedicate a new church but had another vision, this one of his impending death. He continued anyway, preaching a valedictory sermon and fell sick almost immediately. Within six days, Hubert died while repeating The Lord's Prayer. The Roman Catholic Church has designated his feast day as November 3, appropriately enough since the rut is usually at or near its peak by then. Hubert reportedly also worked several miracles during his life by exorcising those possessed by demons and curing a case of rabies after making the sign of the cross over the victim. Hubert is also the patron saint for archers, forest workers, furriers and trappers, hunters and huntsmen as well as hunting as a profession. He is also the patron saint for mathematicians, machinists, precision instrument makers and smelters along with those stricken with hydrophobia (rabies) and dogs. In a related topic, bloodhounds (which are well known for their scenting ability and commonly acknowledged as ancestors of many different hunting dog breeds) reportedly originated from a cross between the black hounds of St. Hubert and the white hounds of the House of Talbot - both of which are from the Ardennes. Records from the House of Talbot provide further credence to this theory and tradition indicates many bloodhounds in Europe are still known and registered as the "Ohien de St. Hubert." Hubert's representation is a stag bearing a cross or crucifix between its antlers: Hence the Master Hunter's (or Jagermeister's) Badge of Honor. Jagermeister Bottle.In fact the bottle cap on an imported bottle of Jagermeister herbal liqueur is a duplication of the Master Hunter's badge. The bottle's label also has the same representation of a stag with a shining cross, suspended between the antlers, as the brand's logo. Surrounding the label is a German phrase, which loosely translated means: "This is the hunter's badge of honor, which he protects and wears as his shield, to guard, while in the fine and honorable profession of hunting; which also honors the Creator and his creations." Literally translated, Jagermeister means Master Hunter in the German language. The term is applied to those who have rightfully earned the respect of their peers and regular citizens as well. German heritage requires much more of hunters than simply passing an eight-hour safety course before being issued a license. In that country it is a privilege to go afield with a firearm and the sport requires many seasons of apprenticeship. Following four years of apprenticeship a hunter is then allowed to take the exam for Jagermeister certification. This distinct traditional heritage is from the country that also brought us the legend of Bambi. You'll recall the bad guys in the original Bambi story were "poachers," not hunters. There is no anti-hunting social agenda in Germany since the sport is highly regulated and steeped in tradition. Hunters are welcomed everywhere. German hunters also participate in extensive rituals following the death of a big game animal taken while hunting, along with other cultural heritages including a toast to the fallen animal itself. Caveman instincts bond all hunters when they're in the field - no matter what modern civilization has done to each person. Quite possibly those centuries-old traditions are what has evolved into the North American big game hunter's need to participate in some form of ceremony following the kill. Maybe they are unsure of just where or how it started, but many hunters (including Native Americans) repeat a prayer, or chant, or simply express their joy with a shout of excitement after the shot is confirmed and the animal is down. Anything from smearing the blood of a freshly killed deer on your face (similar to war paint) to saying a brief prayer of thanks to loud whoops, or simply firm handshakes all around pretty much describe the range of activities surrounding a freshly killed deer or elk here in America. It certainly is a rite of passage for a youngster to take their first big game animal and it's an experience they'll never forget. Regardless, giving thanks to the dead animal, and to God, for the resulting nourishment must be what it's all about. Respect for the fallen, and seeking a blessing for the meat, and honoring the death of one of God's creatures must be the catalyst for these traditions. Of course tagging fresh venison is the object, but preparing for and participating in the hunt is almost as rewarding. Activities surrounding the hunt as well as the camaraderie involved with the "tribe" provide untold pleasure as it creates lasting memories. It is very inappropriate to desecrate, actually violating the sacredness, of any mounted animal with sunglasses, hats, or cigarettes shoved into a taxidermist's work of art. Humoring people who've never participated in the honor of taking a wild game animal's life is disgusting. Domesticated animals provide suitable protein but they don't enjoy the freedom of the wildness experienced by game animals during their lives in the forests and fields. Our teeth and stomachs convert that deer's living energy into our own and we owe it much deserved respect. So, if you wish, say a prayer of thanksgiving or ask a blessing of St. Hubert when you kill your next deer or elk; just remember to honor the death of the wild animal and utilize the meat with respect. It died so that you might live. Personal Cross Gallery 2 Cross Subject Gallery 2 Subject Gallery Home Credits: Hubert, Patron Saint of Hunters - Written by © Mitch Ballard; contributing writer for ESPN2's outdoor television program, "NaturalGear's Wildlife Quest." Used by permission of Mitch Ballard. Article may not be copied or reproduced without prior written permission of the author. Wildlife Quest Productions, Inc. P.O. Box 470684 Tulsa, OK 74147 http://www.wildlifequest.tv/ Jagermeister label and bottle photographs by Eric Shindelbower. Thanks goes to Ben Minor for his assistance; without his help this web page would not have been possible. Jagermeister banner. Background pattern courtesy of © Web page design and content - Eric Shindelbower

sorry for those I offended put in stuff for sh&t

Hey 13 more pages and we hit 50. Let’s keep making ******** up so we can keep this going. I like the opening day of gun being doe only that’s a good one. I would like to hear more on that. So is that going to be the whole state or just the 10 wmu’s. when you make ****** up you have to put In some details on how to make it work

it's going to happen next year

big foot

take a look at this from last year PICT0042.AVI

I don’t know how many of you who are over analyzing the first two weeks of the bow season and the ML season actually hunt in one of the wmu’s. I hunt 8G and nothing has change for me on what tags I’m going to use to put on the doe I’m going kill. I use my 8G DMP doesn’t matter if i kill the doe on the 1st or last day. Then on Nov.1st I’ll get another 8G dmp and put the next doe on that 8g dmp. I use my ether sex tag for a buck and my doe tag(bow ML) when I hunt 9p or 8m. the only thing that changed for me is I can’t kill a buck in the 1st 2weeks, not a big deal.

Landtracdeerhunter it’s not a crock. I think the problem is that you don’t understand the difference between a Region, Wildlife Management Unit and the NEW Buck Management Zones. So I will try to explain what each are. This is not met as a talk down so don’t take it as such. This crap can get confusing if you don’t keep up with it. Regions the state is broken up into 9 regions. Niagara County is in region 9 I live in Monroe County which is in region 8. Inside the regions are wildlife management Units (WMU) they have numbers and letters in their designation (9P),(8g),(7a) the number is the Region the letter is the Unit. WMU’s are how DMP’s are dished out each WMU has a number of DMP’s assigned to it. Now this is something new Buck Management Zone’s. Buck Management Zones are made up of multipole WMU’s and can be from more than one region. They are roughly made from WMU’s from the same geographical area. This is the short version.

here is the deer hunting forecast put out by the DEC deerforecastr1r3.pdf2015.pdf deerforecastr4.pdf2015.pdf deerforecastr5.pdf2015.pdf deerforecastr6.pdf2015.pdf deerforecastr7.pdf2015.pdf deerforecastr8.pdf2015.pdf deerforecastr9.pdf2015.pdf

gold tips work good for me

go with a big boy gun like a 444 marlin or a 45-70

hey I'm the same way I have pic's of bobcat, fisher, yotes, house cats bears no bigfoot yet but that's just a matter of time. the finding bigfoot people say their all over the place so I expect to have one on cam soon

Depends on what time of year it is and what I’m looking for. I have 1 that is on the same tree and keep it up all year and only check it twice a year. I also have a cheap 1 I keep in my back pack and if I kill a deer I put it on the gut pile. That stays up a few days to a week. Most are up Memorial Day to 4th of July then 4th of July to Labor Day. Then to the start of the season after that I may move them around when I see something that needs a better look.

I bet her Doctoral thesis I available from the college she went to.

I saw a program she did at Roberts Wesleyan College 2years a go. The collard coyotes were tracked with gps and if they spent so much time in one place they would go to that spot to see what they were doing or eating. In the spring when fawns are dropped they would get there and sometimes jump the coyote off the dead fawn. They also checked dens to see what they were eating. So they did a lot of leg work. You can’t track every coyote so they would use info. From hunters, trappers and field work sightings and an algorithm to come up with their numbers. It was a pretty cool program.

rob read this coyote_progress_report_2014.pdf

First the DEC can’t manage the deer herd just in your little piece of deer heaven they have to try to manage the whole unit. I hunt 9p and I need pp to get a dmp so I get a dmp maybe every other year. I hunt the Livingston County part of 9p, there is a lot of farming in that part of the unit so I see lots of does. I know the farther south you go the less deer there are. There is also less farming. To the guy who said there should be a lottery to get dmp's what think we do when we ask for what zone we want for are dmp’s One more thing just because there are not bucks there that you would shoot. Don’t say there are no bucks to shoot you just choose not to the bucks that are there. Your choice.

I can shoot seated or standing. just like I can shoot a gun both right and left handed now that's fun

So we can start bitching about next year and maybe set a new page record here what’s going to happen in these 10 WMU’s. 1. Cross bows the whole archery season. 2. Antler restrictions 3. 1 buck weather with gun or bow 4. two week early doe only ML season in October starting the Monday after the youth hunt. 5. First two weeks of bow doe only So put this away I bet I’m right that these 5 things. Are going to happen so if you think this year’s bad for some of you guys just wait till next year.