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Anyone plant it in NY? I have read alot about it lately and was thinking of putting in a chickory and white clover plot for the spring and summer months this yr along with a brassica plot in the fall.

searched for about 3 hrs today, no sheds, but I didn't find one dead deer either. Which is pretty good for the snow we have been getting. Just goes to show we have been killing enough deer to keep them at capacity.

That chuck doesn't know how lucky he was. Pretty funny right after the shot he turned and looked right at you like he knew where it came from.

some people you just can't reach : Good night.

Eat less in winter, not stop

I can't speak for everyones plots but the deer stop visiting mine once the snow gets to deep. If they are easy to get to they seem to still visit. But after december I see very little usage till spring.

placement and Angle of the shot is everything. 100 grains of powder and 250 grain hornady should produce nice neat holes through the ribs. If you want to see damage shoot one through the shoulders with a hornady XTP hollow point. Rushed a shot one time and hit through both shoulders, what a mess, could almost put my whole hand in the hole.

yes food plots are a legal form of baiting in NY. Supplemental feeding is not and has been proven through several studies to actually negatively impact whitetails and there habitat during the winter. Plus it has been proven even deer that are feed during the winter still lose weight, its just the way a deer is made. If supplemental feeding were to be allowed it would probably only benefit them in the fall when there bodies are trying to put on fat. Still natural brows such as acorns are still better than made made food. You can actually kill a deer by making it spend precious energy walking to your feeding sight. And the food it eats will not effect its body weight, so you are just making the squirrels and jays fat and the worn down deer will probably die anyhow and the deer that do make it make it because they put on more fat in the fall not because you fed them. It's better to keep the herd at carrying capacity to there current habitat than to feed them. http://www.whitetailstewards.com/articlesonsite/deerbiology/seasonalhabitatrequirementsnortherndeer.htm In winter, northern deer experience what is called a "negative energy balance" as a result of the poor availability and quality of winter food. This means that food quality is so poor that deer are unable to eat enough food to maintain their body weight, and as a result, they loose weight (mostly fat) throughout winter. (Research has shown that even when northern deer are provided high-quality supplemental food during winter they still loose weight.) Because winter food is of such poor quality, deer rely on stored body fat for as much as 30% of their winter energy requirements. Additionally, deer reduce the amount of food they require by reducing their activity and by selecting winter cover that provides shallow snow depths and warmer temperatures. http://www.whitetailstewards.com/articlesonsite/deerhabitatmanagement/winterfeeding.htm Deer voluntarily reduce food consumption in winter Beginning in November, deer in the Northeast do something surprising; they voluntarily begin eating less food! Deer continue to reduce the amount of food they eat each day until around late-February, when they are eating about 50% less food per day than they did in September. During winter, deer compensate for eating less food by relying on their fat reserves for energy. In fact, an adult deer may get as much as 40% of their daily nutrition during winter from fat reserves. However, a healthy deer can only maintain this level of fat use for about three months, so it must conserve its fat. Deer conserve fat and the amount of energy they need by reducing their activity (e.g., they travel less) and by spending most of their time in softwood cover, where the snow is less deep and temperatures are warmer. These behaviors that conserve energy are especially important for fawns because they have fewer fat reserves than adult deer. Energy conservation is the key to deer winter survival Therefore, energy conservation is the key to reducing fat loss in deer during winter. Although deer can eat food to reduce the amount of fat they burn, natural foods only slow the rate of fat loss; they don’t stop it. This is probably where you are saying, “That is why people need to put out grain for the deer!” Well guess what; even deer feeding on nothing but grain lose weight during the winter. Even captive deer that have access to as much high-quality food as they want, still reduce the amount of food they eat beginning in November, and they continue to lose body fat through February. I have measured it myself in controlled experiments with captive deer at UNH, and I have measured it at winter feeding sites in northern NH. The fact is, deer simply do not eat enough food to maintain their weight in winter. Why on earth do they do this? It’s because deer have evolved with a survival strategy that tells them they need to eat as much food as they can in autumn, in order to put on as much fat as possible before winter. Once winter comes, instinct tells deer that they need to rely on their fat reserves for energy, and reduce the amount of energy they burn, by not traveling and by seeking the protection of winter cover. Deer increase energy expenditure to get supplemental food So, now that you’ve read the above “crash-course” on deer biology, why doesn’t putting out grain or other foods help the deer in winter? First, consider the results from a recent research project, conducted in part by UNH, that looked at the diets of deer visiting places where people put out grain in the winter. Specifically, the study analyzed deer fecal pellets collected at over 70 winter feeding sites located throughout NH. To date, the researchers found that on average, grain accounted for less than 30% of the food eaten by deer each day. So why is this harmful to the deer? Well, consider that every deer burned some of its limited fat reserves to travel to a feeding site, but only got a small amount of food. If a deer did this only once per day it may not be so bad; however, most deer normally visit a winter feeding site a few times per day. Wild fawns I radio-collared during my research in NH visited feeding sites an average of three or four times daily. Compared to deer not being fed, deer around feeding sites probably increase their daily activity in an attempt to get some grain, which often isn’t there. If a deer does this every day, you don’t have to be a biologist to conclude that they are probably burning far more energy (fat) then they get from the grain. These deer would have been much better off if they conserved their energy and visited a natural food source only once or twice each day. Healthiest deer eat most of the food The results from the study I mentioned above suggested that grain comprised less than 30% of the food eaten each day by the average deer. So what about the deer that got more than this? In my experience, it’s a small number of deer that are responsible for eating the majority of the grain at a feeding site. If you haven’t noticed it before, pay attention the next time the deer come to your food pile. You will see that there are a few individual deer that always eat first, while the other deer watch and wait for a chance to sneak in and get food. Sometimes it’s a buck, but more often it’s a dominant doe and one or two of her adult offspring that push the other deer away and eat most, if not all, of the food. You will see that fawns are almost always the last deer to eat at a feed site, and they rarely get a belly full of grain. This is unfortunate, and here’s why I think it is one of the greatest negative effects of winter feeding. Fawns are the portion of the herd that could benefit the most from winter feeding because they have limited fat reserves and they must eat during winter to survive. However, when fawns follow adults to a feeding site they generally have to wait on the sidelines while the adults eat all of the grain. So what happens to the fawns, and to the less dominant deer that get only a few bites of food, or get no food at all? Those deer waste energy reserves they can’t spare when they travel to and from that feeding site. If this happens on a daily basis, and more than once per day, it can result in a significant amount of energy wasted over the course of the winter and can potentially decrease winter survival of these deer. Not quite what you intended when you put out food. Deer in poorest condition get little food You may be saying, “Well at least winter feeding benefits those few deer that eat all of the feed.” It’s possible that’s true, but consider this. Those dominant deer at a winter feeding site are also dominant in other seasons; those deer get their choice of food in the autumn and are able to put on a thick layer of fat. Therefore, the majority of those big dominant deer would survive winter regardless of how severe it is. So basically, the healthiest deer in the herd get all the feed, while deer in the poorest condition waste energy they can’t spare. Not much of a benefit if you are interested in a healthy deer herd. More grain means more deer So is putting out more grain the key to helping the deer? The answer is no. Although it would seem like putting out more grain would give more deer a chance to get food, this is rarely the case. Experience has shown that putting out more grain only attracts more deer. The story is the same everywhere I go; people who are now feeding 25 or more deer all say they were feeding only a handful of deer the first few years they put out food. Deer learn where to go in the winter from their adult relatives. Deer that are fawns this winter will eventually have fawns themselves; they will bring their offspring to the same areas their parents brought them. Sometimes it takes three or more years before you see a large increase in deer, then almost overnight, you’ve got twice as many deer trying to eat the same amount of food. At many supplemental feeding sites it’s not uncommon to see 40 or more deer feeding at one time. You can only imagine what that many deer do to the natural habitat around a feeding site, especially if grain makes up only a small portion of their food requirements.

A couple of good food plots planted in a perenial are better nutritionally, financially, and physically for the deer. Food plots can provide tons of forage through out the yr for alot of deer. It will cost you less to plant and maintain a foodplot than it will to keep a feeder stocked that not only feeds deer but every other creature on Gods green earth. I can only imagine what the crows and squirrels, and bluejays mowe down. And if you get a flock of turkey in there your feeder will clean out fast. And what a bag of deer crack is going for now it could be triple the cost of planting a food plot. Also if deer eat your food plot it grows back with a little rain with most good plants. The feeder commercials show you a huge buck feeding on the food in broad daylight, but what they don't show you is that they are also penned up also. And from what I can gather from all the articles on research about food plots and disease it has been proven to not cause the spread of such diseases by keeping animals for the most part away from eachother, unlike feeders that have deer head to head in close proximity to one another. And by the way I have bow hunted over bait ( corn ) on a lease in Lousiana and saw only pigs, not one deer showed up. The lease later stopped baiting because it wasn't doing any good and cost them alot of money.

I think its a sign of the times in our fast food, video game, playing society. People want instant gratification with minimal effort or work. Imo people who use illegal baiting techniques( not food plots or ag fields which are legal baiting and require alot of smart's, sweat and work to maintain) are like video game players who brag about beating a certain game in a day. Only to find out later they went on the internet and looked up all the secrets to beating it. In the end they beat it but they were to lazy or ignorant to figure it out on there own.

Ive walked by bucks ( nothing I wanted to shoot) on several occasions, in thick cover, during the past seasons and watched them hold stone still till I was past them then jump and run in the opposite direction. I had a small 8 point one time that must have watched me walk to my stand from the thick brush around my stand. He came out about 50 yrds away, just as I had sat down. HE stood and looked in my direction for what seemed an hr then slowley made his way out to my tracks in the snow, and followed them the 50 yrds to my stand over the next hr. When He got to the base of my stand he looked around confused as to where my tracks went, This made him really nervous and he ran back to where he started from and disapeared into the thick pines. I would have to stop short of saying deer are smart, but would have to agree there instinct for survival is strong sometimes.

Light bullet flying fast, hitting something hard = explosion. I sold my 25-06 after the 3rd deer I shot with it ended up with a fist size hole in it again. Good round for long range shots on small game, but in my opinion its a poor deer round. There are better performing bullets for medium size game like deer.

Find it interesting that even pre season scouting got them moving less. Not only did the bucks grow increasingly wary during hunting season, they started wising up when hunters first showed up for a two-day scouting and stand-placing opportunity in mid-November. This was about a week before the hunt and coincided with the deer’s peak-breeding period. From then on, the bucks steadily decreased their movements all the way into the post-season—the same pattern Karns documented in his 2008 Maryland study

So then your a rune stoner haha jj

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/02/eastern-cougar-declared-extinct-confirming-decades-of-suspicion/?hpt=T2

Interesting article on a study of collard Bucks during deer season. What about actual deer sightings? Not surprisingly, hunters in high-hunter-density areas saw 1.6 times more deer than those in low hunter-density areas. “When you have more hunters afield, you’d expect more deer sightings with increased deer movements,” Little said. “The threefold greater hunter density nearly doubled the observation rate, going from 15 percent to 30 percent. But it’s also interesting that deer observations in the combined hunting areas plummeted to 3 percent by the season’s third weekend. The bucks were getting smarter and/or the hunters simply weren’t hunting certain places where deer hung out. As we analyze more of the hunters’ GPS data, we’ll get a better handle on that. The data show the deer were still there.” http://www.americanhunter.org/articles/what-pressured-bucks-do/

Probably sunning himself at the beach Looks like he was lurking around on the 26th Date Registered: June 03, 2010, 07:29:54 am Local Time: March 01, 2011, 04:19:01 am Last Active: February 26, 2011, 04:14:59 am

one I found the other day

Ive read on some other forums, sometimes there is a problem with there mags that cause feeding problems that can be fixed by bending the lip of the mag a little to help in feeding to. Have the scope mounted and ready to go, was going to take it out this weekend and sight it in but we are suppose to get 12 inch of snow today so it may have to wait. >

My parents had a 68 dart with a slant six and nothing power in it. Was the car I took my drivers test with, always fun to parrallel park with no power stearing. Great car though, my Dad finally took it to the junk yrd, was very hard to find parts for it.

I wouldn't avoid any days of hunting over fear of other hunters. I hunt stateland and use the other hunters to push the deer to me. Watch where they park and get to the escape routes before everyone else gets in the woods even if you have to walk in, in the dark. I used this approach a few times this yr on state land and one day I had 15 deer go past me befor 9 am. Unfortunately nothing I wanted to shoot. But on the way back to the car I ran into a group of drivers who were on there way out and they hadn't seen a deer all day. My reply was I hadn't either and this state land sucks, but I heard the area down the road was better.

How bout not messing with anything and leaving it the way it is, before long we'll have screwed up seasons like PA. Because in the long run it really doesn't matter what weapon you use, its getting close enough to use it thats the hard part.

With Mandatory AR's of 8 points or better!!!! Let's sneak antler restrictions in the next crossbow bill that pops up,Who's with me? This one would be good. Option is to do away with seperate mz seasons and have 2 seasons only: - ALL bows in bow - ALL guns in gun Really simple

I don't see binghamton area going to rifle, you can throw a stone and hit a house in just about any direction in most of Broome County. But since it is 99% private land, maybe most people would be reluctant to shoot thier own house or thier neighbors.

for that amount you could probably pick up a brand new remington 750 in 308. Or atleast a few dollars more. I think I just paid around 670 for mine in 30-06 carbine synthetic. Just a thought.