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and if it was a truckload of legally harvested yearlings and does, some hunters themselves would be all over it.........

the picture on its own is in poor taste, I don't believe any animal that we kill should be displayed like trash...........there's no doubt that coyote need to be controlled, but no need to put them on display for everyone to see. Deer hunting is legal as well, but would probably draw some negative reactions if that was a truckload of them.

I guess some people don't realize when all they're doing is embarrassing themselves........childish to say the least.

I actually do go home when a guy shows up at the range and sets up next to me with an AR and 10 magazines that he empties as fast as he can reload .........I find it extremely annoying.

deer hunting has become an extremely selfish sport, and if you ask me that's really the root of all these arguments against anything new being introduced into it...........

I don't get why it's hard to understand why laws don't need to be all encompassing, it's no different than the vehicle and traffic law telling you that you can only drive 55mph in certain areas, do they also need to tell you that you can't drive 55 through a crowd of people?

they find it "difficult" or "frustrating" because they are doing something wrong or not devoting what's required to be succesful? I can understand if they have difficulty shooting the vertical bow, but not if they find the hunting itself difficult.

exactly what I see happening.....

my point is that there are already several threads going on about this, do we need another?..........I never gave an opinion on being for or against them.

yesssssssssss!!!!!!!!!! another crossbow thread, just what we need.

I would think for the guy who is already an accomplished archer, shooting a crossbow will increase his chances and be a big advantage over a compound..........for the dope who just runs out and gets one because he can, I bet the amount of shots that should never have been taken will increase and recovery rates will suffer, to the uneducated, just picking something up and shouldering it like a gun will give them a false sense of it's capabilities.

it's probably a combination of population control, revenue and demand by the pro crossbow groups. The first year will probably not be a good gauge has to the effect it will have on those aspects. I don't see a mad rush by bow or gun hunters to run out and spend a grand on a decent crossbow and all the gun hunters who never bowhunted will need to get the archery course.....just my thoughts.

I would bet that any proposal to spray any type of chemical onto wildlife and into the environment would quickly be shut out by the environmental groups.....worst idea they could ever suggest.

are you saying that people need to be told they can't shoot in the direction of houses and buildings? sad to have to say that some people need to be told something as simple as that. I have a pretty good understanding of the laws and how they can be used, but like you're saying the average hunter just reads the hunting regulations (we hope) and has at it thinking as long as he does what that book tells him is legal, he is good to go.

I hear that out west it's the norm to shoot deer and elk out to 50 or even 100 yards with archery tackle......us easterners are selling ourselves short.........

the 100% legal guns that are surrendered to police every year for nothing just because the owner doesn't want them anymore would make gun enthusiasts vomit, it doesn't even have to be a buyback...........I've had a first hand glance at guns shoved in 55 gallon drums awaiting destruction, sad to say the least.

I've never shot a crossbow, but it does seem at first glance to remove one vital difficulty and that is drawing in presence of the animal, other than that I can't comment......as long as I'm able to shoot a compound or recurve I will continue to do so, as I can't personally justify the cost to do what I am already capable of doing with my compound, had they given it a separate season there is little doubt I would get one in order to expand my hunting opportunities.....I love to hunt and would use whatever weapon or weapons that expand my chances to do so.

now that the crossbow is a legal implement, maybe a new dedicated topic can be devoted to it and all this fighting between hunters can stop being spread out over 6 different threads.

pump action AR.....for some reason that doesn't sound quite right.

then I'm definitely getting one.

are you sure? none of the other 6 threads mentioned anything about it.....

I'm gonna go out on a limb, and say bowhunting whitetail from a treestand is probably the most popular way of doing so regardless of what state......but I may be wrong.

first time I'm hearing about it, do you have any more info?

as far as the laws go, the tools are there to charge people accordingly, The ECL is in place to cover environmental issues that relate to hunting, fishing and things related to the environment, then there is The NYS Penal law which covers the criminal issues, if someone is just violating a discharge law then they are charged under The ECL, if while doing so they act recklessly and place someone in danger of death or serious injury, they would be charged under the PL (reckless endangerment)...........the DEC Police have both those laws at their disposal as do the local police. There has to be separate laws distinguishing between the two because there is quite a difference in the degree of law that is being violated, one being a violation and one a felony, so you really couldn't have them fall under the same law.

I do have to agree with some of the things said by the President of The NY Rifle and Pistol Association......I don't think those who show up and suggest revolt and violence, wear childish shirts saying "F Cuomo" and the likes, really don't help our cause....they make us look like idiots, there is a more professional way of handling things.