im with you greg, i dont know where they come up with it at all... i got turned down in 8W which i am bummed about, they are HIGH this year in 8W as they are every other year... i remember a few years in a row i got double DMPs. Not sure why i got turned down we are loaded with does up by me. Idid get my DMP for long island, i would be shocked if i got denied that... lol