Five Seasons

dude... nobody but you and maybe 2 other members care about what moves "the industry" so we don't care. You're having an argument with nobody about something none of us care about. We're all just good old boys from NY trying to shoot a nice buck and fill our freezers. You're collecting jizz for money so that pansy ass yuppies can shoot a deer trapped in a fence.

Have you found a natural lick in NY? I"ve heard a lot about them, but not sure I've ever actually found one. Honest question.

so I did a plot like this this year. Generally speaking it's still rough discing the top layer and your equipment will not like you for it. Luckily for me, my stumps were in rows from the orchard so I would just mark and sort of avoid them. This would be hard to navigate if discing with anything other than hand tools.

crazy amount of work there man. Love seeing the progress pics.

good lord i'm not arguing with you and you're asking me to show you where you're wrong. We all understand that by industry you mean the bow companies, outdoor tv, camo companies, etc. etc. etc.

I'm not disagreeing with you man, just stating that none of us besides you and a few others on this site work in or give a flying flock about the industry. I agree that horns drive the industry. We all do and anybody who doesn't is mistaken. What a few of us are trying to covey to you is that they're not our motivation to hunt. We all like big racks, but it's not this absolute 99.9% driver you claimed it to be. Again, nobody in this thread is disagreeing with you. But we have 2 hunters just this year who went out without a buck tag and scored some meat. I have hunted without a buck tag looking for more meat. I can tell you it's been at least 5 years since I've killed a "baby buck" and it's been since college since I didn't put meat in the freezer. 2 things can be true.

No more reactions left today. Congrats wolc and good luck biz

jokes on you. I don't have a shed Were they doe, 4 pointers, booners? Nobody knows, but this is all that matters for me.

Well I'm glad you didn't refute any of the points. Your mind is a weird thing of absolutes. Deer hunting is not either blue or red, left or right. Hunters can let small bucks go and also hunt for meat. Many of us have stated that ourselves. We desire a big buck, but not at the expense of an empty freezer. Thankfully many of us have opportunity to shoot a doe or 2 and than wait on the buck we want. While I would be disappointed, I'd eat tag soup passing on some yearling bucks and harvesting a few doe for the freezer and still be happy. An empty freezer though? that's a heartbreaker.

https://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/46245.html you even called out Antlers. Look at all these deer. doe and small bucks mixed in https://www.nyantler-outdoors.com/2020-nys-youth-hunt.html

kinda like guys always having to post their dead deer pics haha. jk @BizCT

I guess I'll give in here despite knowing you wont accept it. How over the last 5 to 10 years "meat" has pushed deer hunters. Case #1 - The farm to table movement https://www.adv-bio.com/the-history-of-the-farm-to-table-movement/#:~:text=The Farm to Table movement is a social movement calling,rather than global food systems. Case #2 - License sales increasing during covid. There weren't more bucks or bigger bucks. So why did more people want to go out and secure some meat during these uncertain times? https://www.dec.ny.gov/permits/26368.html Case #3 - While anecdotal, the popularity of the meateater brand in most cases surpassing the likes of the Drury brothers and Lee and Tiffany with an approach that focused more on the hunt itself and after the hunt then the later's focus on big buck kill shots. Case #4 - The rise in small game and waterfowl hunting. 2 groups where there really is not much of a trophy club. https://www.themeateater.com/hunt/small-game/the-rise-and-fall-and-rise-again-of-the-american-small-game-hunter Case #5 - The increase in hunters who are now butchering their own deer, trying things like heart, liver and nuts that were often left in the woods and becoming more and more interested in "after the kill" than they ever were before. https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/outdoors/2020/11/14/hunters-increasingly-favor-butchering-their-own-deer/6247504002/

another insight into your line of thinking. "What pushes the whitetail industry". Deer have been hunted since men have roamed the earth. Did cavemen adorn a nice rack on their cave entrance if they got one? Yes. Did they hunt the deer mostly for the meat? Yes. You're so intertwined into your industry world that you've lost site of why many hunt. We enjoy the challenge, we enjoy the thrill of the chase. We enjoy the fruits of our labor (the meat). In my opinion there is a watermark that is set for who would hunt and how much that has nothing to do with rack size. Then there is the high water mark that is fueled by the rack no doubt. The "industry" which is just another version of corporations trying to make money btw, which is exactly what you seem to hate about CWD studies ironically absolutely uses this in their marketing to sell products we don't need but still buy in hopes it gives us the edge over a booner. Much of what you say isn't wrong about racks driving hunters, but you're overly dismissive of those of us who hunt for many other reasons than horns on the wall.

99.9%? Where the flying flock of seaguls go you get your info from? We've done polls on this very site and it's not anywhere near that. Do I chase a rack? Of course, I won't pretend I don't. If all bucks magically lost their antlers would I still deer hunt? Absof*ckingloutley. If deer meat became inedible would I still deer hunt? Probably not. If I recall some of the various polls, the #1 reason guys hunt is for the time away outdoors, followed by meat, followed by horns.

fossil fuels. burning them and lots of them. It's a commercial flight. Not quite to private jet status yet unfortunately. It's amazing you try and tell others what to believe by not quoting or citing any single expert lmao. Also, I'm not a liberal which you would know if you paid attention to 10 years of my history, but your eyes are shut and your mind is closed. Who is really the sheep here?

this is kind of my thinking with my fall plot. I'm absolutely surrounded by corn and soy, so while the deer might graze my plots, it's not some concentrated food source in the middle of nowhere. However, come time that the corn is down, snow is on the ground and maybe late gun my hopes are that it sucks them in.

sounds like a dream come true. How many acres did you snag?

exactly. a 401k is not a day trading account. You ride it out over decades. Also you can't pre-tax money into a savings account. lmao at this guy.

I mean technically BBB failed and didn't pass. Just Sayin. But yes, "free everything" is not what the street likes to see.

my fimco actually recommends to rinse. then add some dish soap, circulate, rinse again. I've done this all year with fruit spray, gly and cleth and so far nothing has died. The way I look at it, it's a 65g tank and even if I'm only filling it up 40 gallons, there would need to be a decent amount of residual at that dilution it isn't going to kill anything. Considering I think it's like 32oz or something of super concentrated roundup for 20 gallons.

my bad, I mixed up the 2.

do you mean you wont make it out again for the doe september hunt or that you're not going to make it out at all again this season?

shit you're right. Good thing I didn't mention my upcoming business trips to Europe and China when their lockdown policies end. Or is it just disguised as a business trip? What am I really visiting Edenborough for? Coincidence that the Queen is laying in state there? I think not!

I have access to dmap's as well. I haven't used them as my area isn't really crawling with doe. They shelter in the nearby unhuntable burbs. Even if I did have a lot of doe, it would just feel odd. I guess it'd be something one would get used to though.